Headphones vs speakers….

@mahgister and yet ...

you can certainly be critical of ME if you want but this isn’t about me. And it doesn’t help your point by accusing me of doing or being something whatever that might be.

This isn’t about you either. Is it? I meant for my question to be related to a statement you made. One that has little meaning unless you put numbers, relative values if you like, to lend credence to your statement that it would cost you "a fortune to buy speakers on the same league of frequencies response".

Are you an audience of one, or was your statement meant to be read by others? Potentially thousands of others? Don’t you think it’s critical to consider what those others think is meant by a fortune? At least in some average sense?

If you don’t think it’s important to provide numbers or a range then I vehemently disagree with your statement, metaphorically stated or otherwise.

BTW, an average is just a mathematical number with some error taken into consideration. I think I could do that math if I needed to. I don't see why it's so difficult for you to do the same, albeit with a large-ish margin of error. It''s not really that difficult, and by no means preposterous as you seem to believe. If you cannot do such a thing then doesn't that render your original statement even less meaningless than it already is?

For instance, where did your number $10,000 come from? I see that you threw that in as an edit to your comment. If that's supposed to be an answer to my question did you consider averages wrt products or consumer budgets? I really don't think this kind of mathematical exercise is difficult in the slightest.

In the context of my post it is possible for anyone with a brain to figure out what i spoke about...

It is not necessary to wrote a post which suppose that my post had no value because you cannot figure out yourself a simple metaphor...

You can post a polite question about what i means ...

one thing is sure "an average agoner budget" has no meaning...

a"fortune" compared to a low cost basic system based on a vintage headphone as mine , this metaphor has a meaning.. Sorry...

Now answer  my question : how cost a speakers able to deliver 20 hertz and higher frequencies on par with Omega Stax ?

A "fortune" compared to a vintage headophone... All this is already in my post..

Then my post has a meaning..

Next time be polite SPEAK TO ME not ABOUT ME to the crowd here and ask for precision...

@mahgister

And there you go again leveling personal attacks while avoiding the question. Are you trying to get me to do the same? I didn’t and I won’t, especially since you appear to have no interest in ever answering the question .

I made my point: I vehemently disagree with your statement! I absolutely can reproduce such frequency responses. I have done such a thing many times over given a very well selected and treated room and a wide variety of not expensive electrostatics. I have no idea why you claim to have experience to the contrary - you don’t even provide room dimensions!

@mahgister 

And please stop making this about you. I don't and never did want to have a discussion about you! People who read your statement in question may very well be new to the subject and trying to build their own systems, experiences and knowledge base. I strongly believe your statement misleads people like this and quite possibly a great many others. It misleads unless you provide some numbers to back up your opinion.

It would make no sense for me to write directly to you when you aren't the audience. If I had written directly to you then I would still want to set the record straight on this: I do not agree with you and I'd be very surprised to find that I'm in the minority. Depending on what you mean by a fortune. But you won't tell us what you mean for some reason.

 

A cheap electrostatics speakers will not give deep bass...

You will need an hybrid... They dont sell 700 bucks ..And you must add the acoustic dedicated room cost in money and in time...

Or an array of subwoofeers... My post spoke about 20 hertz..

Did you forgot ?

And my headphone are so good, better than ALL speakers i listened to in living room , you will need speakers way over the price of all my system cost : 700 dollars... Deep bass +strong dynamics = very good speakers then way more than cheap vintage headphone...

Thats my point...

It is you in a reverse of accusation who misread my post , clear for everyone, that some headphone as my K340 can give a soundfield at a cheap price that only costly speakers will beat...

A controlled acoustic room , i tune mine with resonators , CANNOT replace the speakers specs by the way only optimize then...If your speakers dont go near 20 hertz but only 50 , no room treatment will do more...

The use and meaning of a term is defined by HIS CONTEXT of use in the text where it is used...

A "fortune" compared to a cheap vintage headphone as the AKG K340 which sell for 100 bucks, is many times his price... Then it is clear for everyone with good faith that this metaphor dont means 50,000 bucks probably nor 500 bucks... more around many thousands... IT IS A METAPHOR...

All of what you have to do , instead of going on me for a "word" is asking...

I would have answer many thousands...

how much ?

It depend of the pocket of the people...

High quality headphone are not so easy to beat , on details, deep bass, holography, dynamics  and listener envelopment If we add the cost of acoustic treatment and control... it is way more than my 100 bucks price for a vintage headphone..

Everybody knows that the cheapest solution is headphone.... The price of speakers able to go near 20 hertz +the cost of acoustic is way more...

now dont ask me the exact price it goes from 3,000 at minimum, if you are able to do all the acoustic by yourself as i did, to much more if you do not .., Which if we compare the two, a vintage headphone and Speakers+room acoustic , is for many people here metaphorically a fortune...

Case closed....

 

 

 

 

made my point: I vehemently disagree with your statement! I absolutely can reproduce such frequency responses. I have done such a thing many times over given a very well selected and treated room and a wide variety of not expensive electrostatics. I have no idea why you claim to have experience to the contrary - you don’t even provide room dimensions!