Jazz for aficionados

@stuartk 

Re: Atonal

Atonality can vary in its presentation from minor to complete dissonance.

That being said Eric Dolphy has just as many recordings with minor dissonance, and mostly so, then he has with complete dissonance (I call it chaos)....

Archie Shepp is another example of this

Ballad

The Shadow Of Your Smile - YouTube

Minor Chaos

Archie Shepp - Yasmina, A Black Woman - YouTube

The term "free jazz" can vary in its definition. Did it not start with Ornette Coleman

Major Chaos 

Ornette Coleman - Free Jazz (1961) (Full Album) - YouTube

@pjw81563

tonality can vary in its presentation from minor to complete dissonance.

Yes -- this is indisputable.

And you are correct -- Eric Dolphy does not engage in "chaos". Nevertheless, I find I do not enjoy his playing, at this point. When Jazz soloing is mostly consonant -- that is to say, when most pitches are targeted straight on-- I can enjoy touches of dissonance. I have plenty of Post-Bop recordings of sax players employing over-blowing and other extended techniques but Dolphy tends to not hit many pitches straight on -- his sound is quite "wobbly" in terms of intonation, overall, and this I do not enjoy.

I don’t know what qualifies as the earliest Free Jazz recording. Coleman’s Free Jazz isn’t a favorite but I do enjoy his "classic" quartet albums.

Are you familiar with Sam Rivers’ "Contours" ? I love Freddie Hubbard’s playing on that but Rivers is just too outside for my tastes. To use the analogy of a coloring book, Hubbard’s playing goes back and forth between staying "within the lines" and crossing over them -- he weaves back and forth and makes a point of maintaining a connection with consonance while Rivers, to my ear, is not nearly as concerned about this connection. Consistent with your assertion that I highlighted, It’s a matter of degree, not an either/or polarity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SxNeEYxue54

Santi DeBriano,   Obeah.  
 

With Kenny Barron, Sonny Fortune, Jerry Gonzales & Billy hart.

I like so much Paul Desmond with Jim Hall ...

Or Sadao Watanabe some of his pure jazz albums...

Like Chet Baker they dont show off, they dont play the saxophone, they speaks and sing with it...

Any great musician if it show off , even if it is a genius repel me...

I can  admire them but not to listen to them many hundred times ...

But the one i listened hundred or thousand times are the one who sing a song , and dont need to prove themselves as master...

Sadao Watanabe is very unrecognized in america... Paul Desmond is more well recognized... I like their humble stance facing a song .... They serve it and never use it for a show... The greatest musician dont prove anything and dont feel the need to...They only sing and spoke...

It is only my "taste" and takes...😊

Watanabe in "tokyo dating" .... One of my beloved album among the 10 i owned  ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2y5Gtdd-SU

Paul Desmond Jim Hall :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3M6Mkn-nOs

@mahgister

Any great musician if it show off , even if it is a genius repel me...

I can admire them but not to listen to them many hundred times ...

But the one i listened hundred or thousand times are the one who sing a song , and dont need to prove themselves as master...

Yes. I want to hear a song about what it means to be human. A song about how fast someone can move their fingers or how many notes they can play is not a very interesting song... well, not interesting to me, at least!  But perhaps the greatest masters are those who can utilize impeccable technique and still "serve the song", whether playing simply or in a highly complex manner.