Learning about crossovers helped convert me from atheist to a believer in God

@mahgister 

I had them sorted by increasing commitment and fervour. You are obviously free to use your own criteria.

Any attempt to prove the existence of a however fashioned higher order requires belief rather than science, hence my answer was meant to highlight the private nature of belief as a socially insufficient basis for political decisions. Hence my comments about the Constitution‘s outlook on the issue.

Belief in an external objective matter independant of any consciousness is pure metaphysic proven false after quantum mechanics revolution...

Belief in number theory  as a manifestation of a higher order pervaded all history as a MOTOR  to higher science and conasciousness...

Beliefs are no more  private matter anymore since the internet...There is no more private life on one side  and public life on the other  and the monstruous evil corporate powers use it against humanity and democracy...

We must pick our beliefs after well thought deep process, because our beliefs will come true...

@mahgister 

First because we were created free ... Then the world resemble what our free acts make it so...

Hmmm. . . I find this a bit more complicated.

We are simultaneously "free" and "not free", no?  As Consciousness, we are free. As incarnated humans, we are bound not only by maya and the fact that our memories of past incarnations are wiped clean each time we reincarnate but also by the culture and times/Yuga into which we are born. So, the "freedom" of Consciousness is only "real" if we are aware of it. Otherwise, it might as well not exist. Indeed, without awareness of Consciousness, this is exactly how we behave --as if Consciousness does not exist. Furthermore, we can be aware of Consciousness and still make choices that are based upon habitual identification with the body, ego, etc. 

As humans, temporarily identified with our bodies, sense impressions and thoughts, we are given lots of room to stumble around within the boundaries imposed by our our limitations ("enough rope to hang ourselves"). As I see it, this "freedom to act ignorantly" seems more accurately described as bondage. 

Are we "free" to become aware of consciousness?  I'm not sure. Is someone who has not engaged in spiritual practice in previous incarnations and who is born into circumstances that do not nurture/support such exploration, "free" to discover Consciousness? Perhaps only an avatar can such a question. 

Your thoughts?

Hmmm, OP you might smell a creator but I smell something fishy.  Douglas Adam's puddle analogy sums it up succinctly.  

I don't think the OP started this thread with the goal of proselytizing.  But please people, this is an audio forum.  Let's keep higher powers and politics to ourselves.  

Why do some people feel they need to police discussions? If it doesn’t interest, you just don’t read it. Personally, I think this is one of the best threads in recent audio gone history. If you think it’s off-topic, then you must also think that music is not universal.

There is lots of erudition here, kudos to all of the contributors!