@tvrgeek For data transmission in a home I’m pretty sure you are right that shielding doesn’t matter. My concern is that since these wires are around analog systems shielding Ethernet cable should reduce the chance that any noise transmitted from Ethernet to nearby analog interconnects or AC wires and supplies. Phonograph connections and preamps are especially vulnerable. |
It's like Wireless does not exist. Get a good wireless mesh network and stop listening to the worries of people concerned about the metal in their power plugs. Unless you have $1M system do you think your Ethernet connection is the biggest issue you got? Even if you have a $1M system I doubt it is.
@tvrgeek has his head on straight. Ethernet is not going to make a ground loop unless you use a shielded cable which is what the audio paranoid are most likely to tell you to do. |
So don't zip-tie your phono cable right on top of your ethernet 😀 OK, run your Ethernet down the opposite side of a wall cavity from your power lines. Just good dress. If I had unlimited budget and was building a house, I would be running all my power in BX cable for safety and rodent proofing. BX is not that much more than Romex and a lot easier than thin-wall. Remember, CAT-5 is twisted pair so it's rf emissions are pretty low to start with. Good cable dress, cross at right angles, minimize analog cable lengths etc. Do the basics. You can always do a test. Listen to your record player while having an ethernet cable next to it streaming video or large file transfer. .Worse case. High level interconnects are far less susceptible. ( well, maybe if running those silly Kimber unshielded twisted pairs as interconnects) Pick-up in power lines falls under the fantasies domain. ( You do have twisted pair power cords, right? ). How much WI-FI, BT, LED,CFL, PC emissions around your system? Do you know how strong AM, FM and TV radiation is permeating everything? Look at your system as a whole is all I am saying. I had my DAC Velcro'd to the back of an all-in-one PC and it had zero interference. Of course, phone stage sensitivity is why I believe they should be built into the base of the arm. Many years ago, I was trying to build a gain of 10 buffer in the headshell but I could not afford the prototype ceramic substrate cost. Design had 4 RF bare die transistors and 6 thin film resistors. SPICE said it would work! Then came CD's so I abandoned it. Upshift makes a good point. I did a similar, running 3 inch PVC from where my rack was to where my amps, speakers and TV sat. Long string I could pull end to end from either end so I snaked my balanced lines and video through it. ( S in those days) Up, into attic, over and down. The other trick is to a vacuum cleaner to suck a thread through a run, pull a heavier string with it. |
Jeffery, I guess you have not dealt with fiber yourself. I have. Do you have a cleave anvil? Polishing machine? Inspection microscope? Curing oven? Have you looked into the specs for bend radius? OK, LC connectors are cheaper than ST and mass production of fixed length patch cables cables has come down some. That does not change all the other parameters. Now, in MD. I had FIOS to the house. Professionally installed and the MODEM was hard mounted fixed to the wall unlike a Coax running to a stand alone MODEM/Router. They did have to re-terminate one fiber as the polishing was not correct. A fiber network, overhead or underground, is immune from proximity strikes so a lower long tern support cost. Version put it in to replace the old Scripps- Howard twin-coax system. FIOS, and I assume the GOOGLE fiber being run close by, has way wider potential BW ( short range 25G for multi-mode, 100G for single mode or 10G up to 6 miles. So one can have full cable TV with hundreds of simultaneous channels, and several HD gamers on one node. A WAN network on fiber takes less power and fewer repeaters than copper which is most likely the driving force for neighborhood install. Inside the house was RG-6 coax from MODEM to the router, CAT-5 distribution only because I ran out of CAT-3. I can terminate Ethernet with a $12 crimper. A copper NIC for a PC is about $5 if you don't have one. Fiber about $150. I am not aware of any streamer, AVR, or TV with a fiber NIC, so adapters. $$$$$ Oh, you need a fiber router? Starting at about $6000. Cisco makes good ones. OOPS, most cable systems probably don't support it. Of course, WI-FI and BT are in-house options. They work pretty well. But I am of the school like Bill Gates. If it does not move, cable it. If it does, RF it. Conserve the limited RF BW to where we need it. I had to reconfigure my WI-FI a couple of time to avoid surrounding houses and we are pretty spread out on multi-acre lots. Summary: Fiber to the house makes sense from a long term maintenance and future services needing insane BW. Fiber in the house does not. That may change in the future, but for now, it is what it is.
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