Why whole house surge protectors are not enough


TL;DR:

One measure of a surge protector is the clamping voltage. That is, at what voltage does the surge protector actually start to work. Whole house surge protectors are limited to no less than ~ 600 Volts (instantaneous) between a leg and neutral or ground. That’s up to 1,200V if symmetrical.

The best surge protecting strips and conditioners clamp below 200 Volts.

Please keep this in mind when deciding whether or not to use surge protectors at your PC, stereo, TV, etc. in addition to a whole house unit.

I wrote more about this here:

 

https://inatinear.blogspot.com/2021/09/time-for-new-surge-suppression.html

No manufacturer of whole house surge protection claims that their devices alone are enough for sensitive electronics when you check the fine print.

erik_squires

Isn't it so that depending on their specs, MOV's can "clip" those occasional transient peaks of current to your amps so your speakers can not express those flash cymbal crashes for example. 

That's the reason that I pulled my Richard Gray MOV power conditioner out from my system and placed a Seimens Pro 140 at the circuit breakers. I'm in S Florida so it's a risk but I don't want any MOV's by my equipment. I think the Shunyata designer feels the same. 

I have a tricked out PI Audio UBER Buss power conditioner though. 

Isn’t it so that depending on their specs, MOV’s can "clip" those occasional transient peaks of current to your amps so your speakers can not express those flash cymbal crashes for example.

Not even a little bit true. You are confusing current with voltage.

An MOV activates when the (for instance) voltage between neutral and hot exceeds a limit, like 300V. Each MOV sits across a pair of wires and does nothing most of the time. There’s no current, no noise, nothing. It just sits there until a high voltage happens and then it turns into a closed switch.

A huge amplifier, playing at maximum output might cause the voltage to DROP below 120V. We call this sagging. The MOV would be even less inclined to activate with a big amp like that.

By the way, Richard Gray’s devices famously use a resonant tank to stabilize the AC voltage and eliminate noise and are parallel devices. If you don’t want it in line you can plug it into the other AC socket and it will still work. They do an excellent job of eliminating noise and keeping the voltage stable even when your amp is causing the voltage to sag.

Having said all of that, I encourage you to use Furman with SMP. It uses series mode protection instead of MOVs, though they do have an edge case that uses an MOV.

It may help you to understand that having a high voltage at your speaker requires more CURRENT (amps) from the wall which will probably lower the Volts at the wall socket. If an amp played music loud AND raised the voltage at the wall you’d have an infinite power device and not even Elon Musk can do that.

The plethora of things audiophiles do, like run dedicated lines with extra thick wires, use power regenerators and voltage regulators is all to keep the voltage at the AC outlet from sagging.

Sorry, current. My Gray was an old model from 2008. The Gray had chokes. Chokes compress dynamics I've been told. 

I have a 30A dedicated line connected to my Uber Buss power conditioner with a 30A Neutrik connector.

My UBER Buss does a better job with noise than the Gray. Power Factor Correction of 1 if memory serves me.

Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata advises the whole house surge suppressor at the breaker box, and no suppressor at the equipment rack and Garth Powell of Audioquest feels strongly for the opposite due to potential RF noise.

@vinylshadow

My Gray was an old model from 2008. The Gray had chokes. Chokes compress dynamics I’ve been told.

When used in series, possibly, but that’s now how RG’s chokes worked. They are in parallel.

PS - You should open up your Uber Buss. I’m sure you are going to find a whole bunch of chokes and coils if it does anything at all. 😁

Caelin Gabriel of Shunyata advises the whole house surge suppressor at the breaker box, and no suppressor at the equipment rack and Garth Powell of Audioquest feels strongly for the opposite due to potential RF noise.

 

Facts, the National Electric Code requires whole house surge protectors since 2020 AND recommends point of use surge protection devices for sensitive equipment.

The first post explains why they recommend both.

While the NEC requires whole house surge protection, it does not force you to use a surge protector for your stereo or TV. That part is up to you, but I’ve explained why the two are complementary as opposed to exclusive.

Also, anyone who says that a whole house protector could cause RF noise is full of it.

No I won't find any chokes. The designer ran through everything with me. Please don't comment on something you know nothing about. 😁