Music that has a hold of me beyond understanding


I just took a musical bath. I listened, for the umpteenth time, to Puccini's La Boheme. I can't begin to understand how someone could ever create such a thing of beauty. There are many 'songs' that compete in their individual beauty, but no other opera, play, or body of singing that even comes close, for me. You?

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Any understanding begin and end with ectasy....

For William Blake, the unknown genius because he was too deep for the average reader or listener , any perception is an ectasy precisely for this reason... Perceiving is already an understanding and no understanding exist which is not a perception ... As for Leonardo Da Vinci or Goethe or Archimedes methods, which three methods in different fields are all related with one another by the creative perceptive imagination way ...I could have put Aristotle with them or Faraday seeing of the electrical and magnetical field before his  mathematization by Maxwell ...

The rest out of this perceptive ectasy is a sleeping mechanism habit or industry ( not craftmanship nor art ) ...

Then your observation is very true...

 

I can prove it with a simple example...

This is an article about the stability and time enduring stability of bike throwed on a road and the geometrical figure representation of their trajectories , which by the way reproduce an image related to the prime numbers distribution ...

Then understanding that relation and why this is so is opening a door toward ectasy...

 

https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.88.3781&rep=rep1&type=pdf

https://twitter.com/anirbanbandyo/status/1700663719930544420

 

Small room acoustic experiments were also an ectasy for me...Not only music listening...

As was an ectasy the only book i read really describing what is mammals forms...Here you read it and realize that you had never really seen a dog or a cat in all your life , you had merely only recognize them as a robot do...

https://www.amazon.ca/Understanding-Mammals-Threefoldness-and-Diversity/dp/0932776639

It is IMPOSSIBLE to study grammar without stumbling into an ectasy...Try Gustave Guillaume books...One of the most enduring ectasy of my life...

Someone who listen the art of the fugue of Bach without going into ectasy had not listen to it really yet...It is why i own 15 versions perhaps... 😊

Ectasy is related to real perception not to "tastes" or "habits"...

Etc...

Someone already said it though I can’t remember who: To completely understand something would be to unravel and lessen the beauty of it. Something like that anyway

Often Bill Frisell transports me away. 

Bits of Erik Satie can do it. 

Art Prpper. 
 

 

I always worked 4-12 in the ER.  I would often listen to KXTR classical radio on the drive in.  The DJ was the greatest.  Played an eclectic bunch of music.  One day he played some Django Reinhardt.  I actually pulled off the road to listen.  Still grabs me.  Opened up a whole different area of music to me. 

There is so much music that has this effect on me.

Music that has a hold on me, transports me, alters my mental state, on different levels, for differing reasons, describes the vast majority of my music collection. If it didn’t, I would not have much reason to listen to it.

All the music I listen to, even though they are from different genes, has more in common than differences, at least in the way I look at music.

Those things that the vast majority of music I like have in common, in no particular order are: very high levels of musicianship, complexity, deep and broad emotional and/or intellectual content, (usually) long form, (usually) does not follow verse>chorus>bridge song format, no need or desire for catchy hooks or even singable melodies. Although, not all of these have to be present, but the more that are, the better chance it will have the effect on me,

The 3 main genres that most often have most or all of the above attributes are, and has a hold on me:

Prog and most of its subgenres (classic, Zeuhl, avant-prog, Canterbury, prog-metal).

Classic -Yes, King Crimson, Anglagard, PFM, Deus ex Machina, Genesis, etc.

Zeuhl - Magma, Setna, Eskaton, Corima, Zao. etc.

Avant-prog - Henry Cow, Thinking Plague, Univers Zero, Art Zoyd, Yugen, etc.

Canterbury - National Health, Hatfield and the North, MannaMirage, Zopp, etc.

Jazz (post-bop, spiritual jazz, fusion, chamber-jazz, avant-garde):

Coltrane, Pharaoh Sanders, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Return to Forever, Steve Coleman, Oregon, Eberhard Weber. Allan Holdsworth, Anthony Braxton, Miles, McCoy Tyner, many more.

Classical (avant-garde, serial, modernism, spectralism, atonal):

Elliott Carter, Luciano Berio, Charles Wuorinen, Rebecca Saunders, George Perle, Alban Berg, Stefan Wolpe, Gyorgy Ligeti, Jon Tower, Per Norgard, and many more.

Almost all of my huge classical collection, is from post 1950. I have tried many times to get into earlier eras of classical music, and for me, they do nothing.

No other genre that I have found, has that effect on me besides these genres. Although, I have been slowly getting into Indian classical music, and it may have this ability for me. But my exploration is very new.