? about Smoking Power Amp


I made an error in connecting my amps last night, and one of them started smoking. It now appears to be working fine, as do my other stereo components. But I am trying to assess whether there is likely to be any lasting damage to the amp that should give me pause before using it again, or damage to other components. If someone with more technical knowledge than me could please help me understand what took place to cause the smoke, I would appreciate it.

Let me explain in more detail the setup that caused the problem. I have two power amps being fed by two sets of line-level outputs from a single preamp. One of the amps then powers stereo speakers, while the other powers a passive subwoofer. Last night, I placed a passive low pass filter (100 Hz) into the signal path going from the preamp to the amp that powers the subwoofer. This passive filter is female on one end, which is supposed to receive the input, and male on the other, which is supposed to provide the output. I instead plugged the male (output) end of the filter into the output jack of the preamp, and then I plugged a cable leading to my power amp into the filter's input jack.

With this erroneous setup, I turned on all of my components in the normal fashion. Very soon after (before I played any music) white smoke, smelling of burning plastic, started to come out of the power amp connected to the stereo speakers (which produced a moderately-loud buzzing sound). An orange tinge was visible through the grates of the amp producing the smoke. I turned off and disconnected everything and realized my error in the setup. The smoke stopped right away when I powered down the amp.

As I said above, I tested everything, and all components now appear to work as they should. I tested the smoking amp by connecting it to some budget speakers, just in case it had an issue that could cause damage further downstream. Even this amp appears to be working normally.

So I am not sure, in any precise way, what caused this. To the best of my layman's understanding, the reversed low pass filter blocked the signal coming out of the preamp output, probably causing something such as voltage to get messed up in the signal that was coming out of the other set of preamp outputs. This "messed up" signal was then transmitted to the power amp that started smoking.

I feel certain the speakers are fine. I am wondering if there is any reason to be concerned about latent damage to the preamp, which is a valuable unit. I am less concerned about the amp that was smoking, which is an inexpensive older unit (market value <$150), which I had been using for convenience. But I am still wondering if I can safely use that amp in the future, and if it is possible that something extraneous (such as a plastic coating or paint) was smoking and nothing more than that. I am not too worried if that amp burns out from continued use, but I don't want to: 1) start a housefire; or 2) cause damage to my speakers.

Any guidance you could offer would be appreciated. I already know I need to be more careful when setting up my components, needless to say. Thanks and have a great day.

mfiddles

@mfiddles A dummy load is usually a high power resistor that won't fail when subjected to amplifier power. That way you can run an amplifier without having to listen to it. If run with no load you won't learn if the amp will hold up.

Usually you'll want to use a regular musical signal. A sine wave can be used as well, but if using such you run the risk of overheating the amp in a few minutes even if at only 1/3rd the full output power level. Most inexpensive amps and receivers of the 1970s and 1980s lacked the heatsinks to survive very long with that treatment.

But we already know the amplifier portion isn't having a problem. The protection circuit is what heated up, likely due to some sort of miswired connection.

Great. So something like two of these, one to mimic the load of each speaker, with one speaker wire going to each end of the resistor?

https://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Vishay-Dale/RH0508R000FE02?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtlubZbdhIBIOzZS54oCXX%2F1YZYSGnjjuk%3D

Or does the wattage of the load need to meet or exceed that of the amp (135w)?

You can google dummy load resistor and buy them already mounted on a suitable heat sink, but the 200 watt ones you will need are not cheap and you would still need a signal and a way to measure the output you are sending to the resistor; all of this would cost way more than the amp.  You can replace the parts, but it is hard to tell if the protection circuit is working as it should.  It is probably best to junk the amp.

A resistor is a simple passive part, not subject to damage from brief overloads. IME, if a resistor is burns up, it’s because something else shorted and sent way too much power through it. That's the safety concern.

Hey, 

I would unplug it. Let it sit for a day to let the capacitors drain out. After that remove the screws and try to find out what melted. The wood sides can be easily removed too. You should be able to see a brown mark near the component that heated up. After you diagnose the problem you might be able to fix this yourself with a soldering iron and a little time. Please make sure it stays unplugged and you let the caps drain out. I hope this helped.