DAC DIRECT IN TO AMPLIFIER OR TO PREAMPLIFIER


For the longest time, I believed that the best preamplifier is no preamplifier.  Eliminating a component from the audio chain would yield less distortion & greater purity.

Recently, I have had reason to re-think my logic on the matter - and I am (I think) changing my mind.  Better said, assuming that the preamplifier in the component you are using (in my case, a DAC) can produce 95% or greater quality sound compared to the preamplifier component, then no preamplifier is the best option.  The 5% represents the (estimated) loss of fidelity in adding another set of interconnects.

That said, most DACs do not have an outstanding preamplifier built in.  I think most have average passive attenuators, and the better DACs have active preamplifiers that are very good - but not as good as a quality preamplifier.

What are your thoughts?

 

 

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This is a very timely discussion for me.  I have been contemplating some changes in my system that would involve phasing out my current preamp. I currently have an old Audio Research LS-15 line stage into a Bryston 4bSST2.   I have a Lumin T-2 streamer/dac connected to the LS-15.  For some time I have been considering upgrading the LS-15 but have always considered keeping a preamp in my system.  Recently I have  become interested the the Lumin P-1 streamer/dac/preamp.  I realize it is not a true preamp.  It appears to be a streamer/dac with more inputs offering more flexibility.  My music listening is almost entirely streaming but I do still have a CD player and turntable that I occasionally use but to be honest they are largely ornamental components in my equipment cabinet.  The P-1 would provide the connectivity to keep these components in my system and offer the ability to play them.  I do realize that the P-1 does operate totally in the digital  domain and as such does not have the analog circuitry of a conventional preamp so it only provide the preamp connectivity flexibility but not the potential analog advantages of a preamp.  Does anyone have personal experience with the P1?  Would it be best to upgrade my preamp to another conventional pre or replace it with the P1?  I realize if I ultimately want to answer this question I will need to make the comparison in my own system but am interested in from Lumin P1 owners or those who have heard this streamer/dac/preamp.  The P1 would be an upgrade over my Lumin T-2 so I am confident in that move but am less confident about it replacing my preamp.

Comes down to the quality of the component.  In general as you point out, most DACs do not have a quality output.  BUT a poor preamp can also have an impact on sound quality.  So you need to experiment in your system to see what works best.

 

Happy Listening.

@randyh - I sugge34st having your current preamp upgraded to another level with better parts.  That will get you to another level without searching for something to replace it. PLUS the better parts will not be in the typical preamp you will be swapping out for.

 

Happy Listening. 

In the camp of preamp here. An absolute necessity to feed my amp both multiple analog and digital sources. As for sound, the wyred4sound STP-SE stage 2 is wonderful, passive until 64 db, active above. With my dac set at max volume to bypass its preamp feature, the STP only needs 20 to 30 db setting, utterly quiet in passive mode.