"The Ultra High-End Speaker."


My entire relatively simple high end audio system retails for approx. $70,000, with my speakers alone retailing for approx. $24,000 (Revel Salon 2 speakers).  I've been around high-end audio for over 40 years.  I attend audio shows and visit local and non-local high-end audio shops on a regular basis.  I get to hears a lot of high-end audio speakers and gear all the time.  That said, I honestly believe, along with others who've visited my home and have listened to my system, that my system (speakers) produce that ultra high-end, reference quality sound.  Others would suggest that, when it comes to speakers, that the "Ultra High-End" sound can only be achieved by megabuck speakers costing 50K, 100K, 250k and beyond.  I do not believe that ultra high-end ("Sound Quality") is excusive to those speakers costing a king's ransom.  And, I think my own system is am example of what can be achieved at a lower (not for most people) price point.  I absolutely believe in the law of diminishing returns, especially when it comes to high-end speakers.  What's your definition, idea of, what you consider to be, a "Ultra High-End Speaker, and at what price point does the ultra high-end start?????            

kennymacc

For me no speaker is ultra- high-end unless it's a headphone. There you have a lot more possibilities to get as close as possible to the raw natural sound.

If you cannot perceive that the so-called "high end" speakers are better than yours, then you have probably crushed the competition.

My system is much less than yours. I think it sounds wonderful, even compared to more expensive systems. Often, they do things that my system cannot do -- bass and dynamic punch, super accurate sound staging. I've got my system doing something better, in some cases, than those systems -- intimacy in midrange, naturalness of soundstage, precision without hyper-articulation in instruments and highs.

I have heard a couple systems that do everything mine does plus the things it doesn't do. But they're not ultra-high-end. They are thoughtfully selected, matched, and placed in an intelligently treated room.

The soundfield of speakers and headphone are two different things ...

The timbre definition the immersiveness and all the spatial characteristics of sound which are numerous cannot be determined by the mere speakers choice...

Speakers exist only in a room, controlled one or uncontrolled ...

And any stereo system or speakers is impeding the spatial characteristic of sound by crosstalk ...

But headphone lack the body sensation of speakers and deep bass and they sound always artificial timbre ( my 9 headphones in particular) except for some very rare and costlier one ...The soundfield in most case STAY in the head ... ( save my K340 modified and perhaps top few others i dont know personally as the Raal or top Hifiman and Top Omega Stax )

Anyway timbre, immersiveness and spatial characteristics of sound dont come with speakers price tag ... They come with room acoustic coupling and with adding to that the necessary BACCH filters which is the acoustic last revolution ...

Nevermind the price you pay for your speakers ...Or even for your headphones... You will need acoustic material control and/or acoustic DSP ...With my K340 i need the two as with my speakers ...

My low cost system now is satisfying so much, but why ?

Because i succeeded creating a room/speakers relation very intimate as with headphone in a near listening position in a controlled small room ... And i succeeded in creating with headphone a soundfield speaker- like in timbre and spatial characteristics out of the head in many recording ... For me it was the goal... I listen music alone ...

Ok i spoke too much and we will go to the "Bugatti" and " Veyron" level speakers talk forgetting this new more affordable car that which is also a plane thanks to the BACCH filters .... 😁

Price tag  dont afford S. Q. ...Psycho-acoustics does at lower price nowadays ...

Ultra High End-ish Sound?

~10k onwards (possibly even 5k onwards if bought used) and subwoofer pairing.

 

Ultra High End-ish Sound+Looks+Bragging Rights+ Club Membership?

Spend half a million, file for bankruptcy, whatever...

 

Ultra high end speakers are carried by high end electronics w.r.t sonics. When such electronics are paired with many speakers in non-ultra high end price brackets (i.e., when such "relatively affordable" speakers are given the same opportunity), the ultra high end-ness of such speakers shall be revealed.

 

 

my opinion is that you can achieve ultra high end sound with Revel Salon 2’s. given the appropriate sized room, meticulously treated, top notch power grid, solid well matured signal path and superior sources.

there is nothing about a Salon 2 holding you back from musical reproduction nirvana.

OTOH there is a ceiling to ultimate degrees of bottom octave, scale and authority in a system with the Revel 2 Salon’s. and a ceiling on ultimate levels of resolution.

but i would rather have this ’optimized’ ultimate Salon 2 system, than an average level effort with a more capable speaker in a larger room. the Revel Salon 2 is formidable enough to take you far along the path. it’s over the hump into high level transducers.

it’s the sweat equity and high level thinking behind systems that become the difference. and there is more than one approach to skin the cat.

of course; what we mostly find is that someone willing to go all out on the effort side, will probably pay the piper to start with a more capable speaker so the ceiling is higher at the end. but this does not invalidate what the Revel Salon 2 can accomplish.