What is meant exactly by the description 'more musical'?

I will simply second what @atmasphere has said.
My audio engineer says more or less the same thing. 

The adjective or noun musical and musicality can be a taste question...But saying this as main argument , is so trivial it is like saying nothing ...😊

Correcting me about the noun or the adjective use is pedantry which will not change your claim that musical or musicality is an attribute only subjective and purely relative ... This claim as i said above is not even wrong ...

musical or musicality for sure need a perceiving subject who , and it is my point , can be educated and trained by acoustics concepts and acoustic experiments ( not by some mere simple room acoustic ) Musicality or musical is an attribute that does not result  so much from merely upgrading  purchase but by electrical,mechanical and acoustical working dimensions controls devices and method unvaluable for any gear at any price ..

Then accusing me who contradict your claim about musical as being a mere taste , with my arguments to be a pretentious dude who think he is the Bible is simply an ad hominem argument because you had no other argument ..😁

I never attack people ... I attack argument with counter argument ... imitate me on this ...😊

 

When i am wrong i admit it ...

musical is not a pure taste relative attribute, save in marketing discourse ,  but an attribute audio knowledge  related to the psycho-acoustic and acoustics knowledge behind any gear design and any room design , from knowledge  more than from luck ...

Dont try to contradict this you will loose the argument ... Someone must learn when to stay silent if he had no argument ...

And i dont say this because i think i am the audio Bible as you falsely accuse me to think i am ... 😉

it is a basic audio fact ...

@mahgister : "

I dont doubt that most audiophiles plays with room acoustic in a way or in another ... I am not alone ...

But there is difference of level and control between putting panels on a wall and designing and distributing resonators in a room...."

 

Yes there are differences as how each one of us and at what level are " there " : so what?. I’m satisfied with my room/system quality MUSIC reproduction and you are satisfied with yours as several other room/system owners Exist diffeent paths/roads to arrive Rome, that choosed " road " is each one privilege and you and any one else can questioning it. I respect you but you are not the Bible in that regards or in any other about.

 

" Musicality which you claimed is only a subjective arbitrary taste..."

first I never mentioned " musicality " but " musical ", so please don’t put words in my mouth.

 

Here Cambridge Dictionary on the subject examples:

 

"In his view, musical talent refers to the capacity for musical performance, whereas musicality is the capacity for musical reception. "

 

in the other side:

 

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• Even with a load of electronic gadgetry, you still need some musical ability to write a successful song.
• It’s being hyped as the musical event of the year.
• Some of the younger pop bands try to imitate their musical heroes from the past.
• The musical interludes don’t really fit in with the rest of the play

 

No pun intented and remember that you as all of us are only a human being with different characteristics and different knowledge and ignorance levels and as any other of us you are not the Bible in any audio subjects.

R.

@mahgister 

Yes, I should have been more descriptive, more clear. 

Maybe in the purest sense, the definition of musicality can't be "owned" by one individual.  Nevertheless, I believe that there are aspects of describing how music sounds when played back that need to be present for many people to say that the sound is musical (for them)...examples might be the tone, the dynamics, the flow, the lack of harshness...but for any individual, that combination of characteristics that makes something musical is personal (to them).

And yes, maybe there are numerous psycho acoustic things, some of which are known and identified that also need to be taken into consideration if an "overall" definition were to be agreed upon.

I suspect this subject should be very important for an equipment designer, the more of these characteristics they can identify...and then make sure are present in their equipment, the more appeal they will have to a larger group of potential buyers.

 

 

My only point , once is said that the common place fact which related musicality to a subjective experience for sure, my only point is that it is not just a "taste" ; my only point was that for understanding musicality we must investigate the acoustic multiple factors which are behind this way less variable and arbitrary perception than the word "taste" suggest ...

A so simple observation cannot be contradict by those who claim that musicality is at the end only a purely relative taste with no deep meaning behind ... This deep meaning and factors are in acoustics science ...No one can dismiss acoustic science for the benefit of a tautology presented as a fact ...Musicality is an acoustic phenomenon investigated by acoustics not a mere relative idyosincrasic taste ...

It is incredible that many people  are in the obligation to repeat that ...

Psycho-acoustics rule and explain  musicality experience which is more than just an individual taste ...

 

«Taste there is, but taste it is not »-- Groucho Marx 🤓

 

 

Maybe in the purest sense, the definition of musicality can’t be "owned" by one individual. Nevertheless, I believe that there are aspects of describing how music sounds when played back that need to be present for many people to say that the sound is musical (for them)...examples might be the tone, the dynamics, the flow, the lack of harshness...but for any individual, that combination of characteristics that makes something musical is personal (to them).

sorry but my finger error.

 

@mahgister :   " 

I dont doubt that most audiophiles plays with room acoustic in a way or in another ... I am not alone ...

But there is difference of level and control between putting panels on a wall and designing and distributing resonators in a room...."

 

Yes there are differences as how each one of us and at what level are " there " : so what?.  I'm satisfied with my room/system quality MUSIC reproduction and you are satisfied with yours as several other room/system owners Exist diffeent paths/roads to arrive Rome, that choosed " road " is each one privilege and you  and any one else CAN'T questioning it as we can't questioning what any one else " likes ". I respect you  but you are not the Bible in that regards or in any other about.

 

" Musicality which you claimed is only a subjective arbitrary taste..."

first I never mentioned " musicality " but " musical ", so please don't put words in my mouth. 

 

Here Cambridge Dictionary on the subject examples:

 

"In his view, musical talent refers to the capacity for musical performance, whereas musicality is the capacity for musical reception. "

 

in the other side:

 

" 

• Even with a load of electronic gadgetry, you still need some musical ability to write a successful song.
• It's being hyped as the musical event of the year.
• Some of the younger pop bands try to imitate their musical heroes from the past.
• The musical interludes don't really fit in with the rest of the play

 

No pun intented and remember that you as all of us are only a human being with different characteristics and different knowledge and ignorance levels and as any other of us you are not the Bible in any audio subjects.

R.