“exactly. @scottwheel is hell bent on telling folks that they should trust their own ears!”
I am an advocate of judging sound quality by ear. But just by ear.
”WHAT SENSE DOES THAT MAKE?”
maybe it’s just me. I think it makes perfect sense.
WHY IS THERE SO MUCH HATE FOR THE HIGH END GEAR ON AUDIO GEAR?
It seems like when I see comments on high end gear there is a lot of negativity. I have been an audiophile for the last 20 years. Honestly, if you know how to choose gear and match gear a lot of the high end gear is just better. When it comes to price people can charge what they want for what they create. If you don’t want it. Don’t pay for it. Look if you are blessed to afford the best bear and you can get it. It can be very sonically pleasing. Then do it. Now if you are also smart and knowledgeable you can get high end sound at mid-fi prices then do it. It’s the beauty of our our hobby. To build a system that competes with the better more expensive sounding systems out there. THOUGHTS?
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“Nothing is accomplished by lying to a group of listeners in a double blind. The fact the listeners, presumably, heard differences proves nothing other than the human tendency to believe what others (audio professionals) tell them. I hope no one is actually stating that the results from such a test are worthwhile.”
I think that was the point. Human tendency to form opinions on sound quality that are not actually based on sound. I guess audiophiles can either learn from it or get angry at it. Given the rampant lying by manufacturers of so many products it seems to be very much on point |
“The protocols were completely different.” No. they were nearly identical. ”One did nothing but try to elicit unfavorable results, rejoicing in his deception (he never changed a thing),” and here is where you show us it’s about ego not knowledge. When one has an ego based emotional investment then one sees results as favorable or unfavorable. In both cases the results simply were informative. The protocols were IN FACT exactly as you say for BOTH tests. In the Toole Olive test THEY NEVER CHANGED A THING. You should get your facts right before talking about head injuries incurred by others. |
@coralkong now I remember why I left Audiogon in the first place. One guy pushing his opinion on the rest on repeat! |
My god, the lengths you go to to subvert the subject. In the properly done test, being blind, the participants had to listen over time and develop an opinion whereas the other test was just a means to deceive. You're way over your head on this one. All the best,
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