@frogman Thanks for your input on the Elvin Jones, Tony Williams, and Philly Joe discussion.
My drummer friend told me Elvin listened to a lot of Shadow Wilson's drumming for some of his own ideas especially concerning "triplet fills".
And here is a text my drummer friend sent me a while back about Jimmy Cobb and Philly Joe. My friend had just had a lesson with the NYC jazz drummer Dan Weiss. The lesson was focused on Roy Haynes's drumming.
Jimmy Cobb is playing brushes on that tune. Often the end of the brushes which has a metal loop is used to hit the cymbal and get a bright sound. Jimmy is great, known for his very open playing, a lot of space. Philly Joe is a genius with rudiments, John Riley refers to him as a card shark (video included). There is a book called Rudimental Swing Solos, it is written by Charles Wilcoxon. Philly Joe used this book a lot for his material for soloing, and fills. I really love Bill Evans, Everybody Digs Album. Philly only uses a snare, bass drum, hi hat, and ride cymbal, no toms. The soloing is so creative.
PS, what I have been told is that during the recording of Everybody Digs Bill Evans, Philly had sold his drums for drugs, hence the small kit. There is a similar situation on Milestones.
I had my Dan Weiss lesson on Friday, we discussed this album, Thelonious In Action. I am working on some Roy Haynes trading/soloing. I am also learning Snap Crackle.
@frogman I was wondering if you know the jazz drummer Dan Weiss. He and my buddy Mike were working on Roy Haynes's famous "snap crackle" technique.