Nearfield listening - once more


I have a small nearfield pinpoint satellite speaker system, as well as a large floorstander speaker system, at home. I am intrigued by the fact that the small system does some things as well or even better than the big system. How can that be. A few questions:

1 - how can big speakers be tuned /positioned towards optimal nearfield listening?

2 - what are the main things to consider, to get optimal nearfield sound, with smaller speakers? (I already know that speaker stands and positioning are key elements).

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So near-filed and far-field are basically relative to the speaker design,

For sure beside of the acoustic ratio and timing and direction of reflected versus directed waves importance, the design and the type of speakers play a great role ... Thanks for reminding us of this important fact ...

But if one listen nearfield and dont control acoustically the timing and direction of reflected versus directed waves with acoustic treatment in the room near the listening position , the result will be a no existing soundstage or one located only between the speakers ...

As you pointed to yourself:

Essentially near-field listening gives you a listening experience similar to that of headphones, but with imaging and perhaps sound-stage.

Nearfield listening with speakers is better well done than most headphone listening save perhaps with the best headphone in the world , in my experience, because of the soundstage which is out of our head, unlike almost all  headphone ( save my K340 ) ...

My near listening field encompass my listening position , is holographic and way out of the speakers plane in width and depth ... My speakers cost , so good they are , is very low then it is not the result of a superlative design ( i modify the porthole and the tweeter for sure) but the result of room acoustic and vibrations resonance controls, crosstalk control to some extent also ...

Room acoustic cannot be replaced or being disposed of because we listen nearfield ...

@pwerahera thanks! Seems reasonable. Basically I think you are right. Yet these are not the only laws of physics. Bi- or omnidirectional speakers sound different and work differently from traditional front-firers. I would say that room treatment is important also if you sit four feet from the speakers. Even if the indirect sound is now less prominent, it is there, coloring the direct sound. And even with headphones, where the material of the cusps can change the sonics quite a lot (cf Audioquest Nightowl debate).

My two way (horn treble + conventional woofer) floorstanding speakers sound good and quite coherent even from quite close. This is most probably due to each speaker having two identical set of drivers, two in front, two in the back. This arrangement is designed to create the correct spectral energy plus the right time alignment of the direct and indirect sound. It helps smooth the bass and treble and integrate the two.

I do hear bass even from quite close to the speakers. You wrote: "Big floor standers will give you the bottom octave, but you need to sit away from the speakers." Not so clear in my case.

@mahgister 

Thanks for comments - I agre with much of what you say.

You wrote:

"Room acoustic cannot be replaced or being disposed of because we listen nearfield ..."

Exactly!

But you also write "the result will be a no existing soundstage or one located only between the speakers"

If I sit forwards, almost between the speakers, yes, the soundstage will be located here. But is this neccessarily worse?

Personally I find that I often enjoy the sound, closer to the speakers, although I have not changed my main listening position, with more conventional distance to the speakers.

 

There are two main advantage of near field listening. 
 

#1 less room sound 

#2 more dynamic as less SLP is needed for the same listening volume. 
 

I always try to sit as close to my speakers as my setup allows. As you know there are lots of things at play that effect how close you can sit.