Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?

scottwheel

It’s so much safer to try to discredit someone who challenges your beliefs than to even try to have a real conversation with them ... And that is why it is impossible for you to have a real conversation with me on these issues in audio. You have to protect your emotional investment.

Logical fallacy, ad hominem:

"Ad hominem ...Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself."

And - you’ve made a circular argument to boot! That’s another logical fallacy:

"Circular reasoning ... also known as circular logic) is a logical fallacy in which the reasoner begins with what they are trying to end with."

And now you claim:

I don’t believe I know it all.

C’mon. You’ve insisted you know all there is to know on some audio matters.

I know, as much as it can be known that basic cables are audibly transparent ... I know as much as something can be known that power cords make no actual difference ...

Real conversation is possible when we recognize that our mutual conceptions could be and are usually "beliefs" ...

Using double blind test to protect your belief in a set of electrical measures as the ONLY measure of truth is not science. it is techno-cultism...

I already used simple blind test many times... I did not need to submit to a double blind test to convince you ... My system/room convince me and it is enough ... There is only one person here accusing others of "irrational beliefs" and asking before any discussion to double blind test standard... Everybody who did not do it is irrational and superstitious gullible consumers for you..

Do you see that we are not the only one with a "belief" here ? All the others here live with a set of perception which are well founded or not, deceptive or not, anyway they "perceive" it as real for them ...Their perceptions can be falsified by themselves without need for your double blind public test... They may use simple blind test for a cable for themselves... As i did... It is enough for someone who want to create his system experience...

Your belief that all audio phenomenon must be reduced to a known set of electrical measures cannot be falsified ..it is not science but techno-cultism...

Do you get the difference... Nobody here saying that their cables make a difference try to convince you, they only state their experience as a fact for them , right or wrong ... The refusal of their experience as only that, a subjective testimony, by you in the name of an unfalsifiable limited set of electrical measures and in the name of a future impractical double blind test is like religious propaganda ...It is the reverse attitude of high price cables marketers publicity... I hate publicity and dogmas be it from ideologues in techno cultism or from marketers...

Myself i will keep simple blind test as a useful tool with no public objectivist official protocol as enough for my needs ...I am not into scientist faith, i am in the simple journey to create minimal acoustical satisfaction threshold ...And by the way i modified all my low cost cables myself ...

“Real conversations” between people with opposing beliefs can not happen if either party is unwilling to even consider the possibility that they may be wrong.

Sealioning again I see...

Do not feed the trolls.

I think the difference is most people don’t want their beliefs to be challenged even if they are wrong. As I have said before, if the basic cables I use actually are not audibly transparent I really do want to know. But it’s going to take verifiable objective evidence to persuade me. Not anecdotal evidence, “trust me” testimonials or arguments from authority. If something as basic as verifiable evidence is too high a bar to clear that should be a huge red flag. 

So if you hear a difference with your basic cables compared to others out there, you won't believe your own ears until you find a way to measure it? Must suck to be you. 

All the best,
Nonoise

nonoise

So if you hear a difference with your basic cables compared to others out there, you won't believe your own ears until you find a way to measure it?

This guy has extreme confirmation bias, so it's unlikely he'd hear a difference:

I know, as much as it can be known that basic cables are audibly transparent ...