Have we lost civility and respect on Audio forums?


I think we have.  I have seen many discussion on audio forums and how nasty they can become when you have people disagreeing. Seems like there are a lot more know it alls now. I been in 20 years and I can still learn.  But I also know I know quite a bit. Like cables can enhance the sound and higher end well designed gear can truly be ear candy special.  Is this just on audio forums or the internet period. 

calvinj

“You are completely wrong here...

The two side subjectivist and objectivist are not divided between scientists on one side and superstitious dudes on the other side ...😁”

that’s sort of what I said. The terms subjectivist and objectivist are misapplied. I am a subjectivist. 

Define the difference between subjectivist and objectivist please ?

 

 

“You are completely wrong here...

The two side subjectivist and objectivist are not divided between scientists on one side and superstitious dudes on the other side ...😁”

that’s sort of what I said. The terms subjectivist and objectivist are misapplied. I am a subjectivist. 

 

I been in 20 years and I can still learn.

Yes indeed, no more caps. AAaahhhhhh, thanks.

A subjectivist judges sound quality based on their personal preferences. The same way someone would judge food or art. If one finds the sound to their liking and then declares that to be good that is subjectivism.

An objectivist judges sound quality on accuracy to some reference. Maybe the recording or maybe live sound. 

So we had people like Harry Pearson who cared nothing about measurements or science but was an objectivist because he felt there was an objective reference, “the absolute sound” the sound of live acoustic music, against which the accuracy of audio playback could be judged. 
 

Then you have people like Floyd Toole and Sean Olive who strictly evaluated sound quality in their research using proper time synchronized quick switching double blind tests but are subjectivists. All of their studies were based on listener preferences. All scoring of their tests were done with subjective ratings. 
 

And yet many would label Harry Pearson as the poster child for subjectivism in audio and would consider Toole and Olive to be poster children for objectivism in audio.