750$ Intel NUC vs $6000 Aurender N200: I don't hear the difference


I finally plunged into the source is as important as the DAC belief that is quite prevalent here and decided to test out Aurender N200. And given I have a very highend DAC, thought if the N200 pans out I would go for the N20 or N30.

 

I was expecting the N200 to blow away my Intel NUC which is 10th gen, core i7, 8GB and running Roon Rock BUT I am switching back and forth between USB playing the Roon Rock, and Co-axial playing Aurender N200, and I don't hear much of a difference maybe a hair, or not even that.

 

A few caveats: 1) Roon Rock is playing Quboz, N200 is playing Tidal (I am unable to get Qobuz login to the N200 for reason I don't understand).

2) I am comparing Coaxial on N200, USB on Roon Rock.

Caveat #2 can be ignored because I don't hear a difference between Coaxial and USB output of N200.

 

So either this is an "Emperor has no clothes" moment or I am missing something big. Any thoughts on what I might be missing before I send this N200 back to the dealer on Monday.

 

Rest of my system: Nagra TUBE DAC -> Accuphase E-650 -> Devore O96 and all Acoustic Revive wiring. 

essrand

Audio is a fun hobby for both listening and enjoying music with the thrill of connecting to the music but also for the exploration and experimentation of the equipment.  I started out decades ago with modest gear making upgrades and modifications based on what I learned from others as well as applying my own engineering expertise.  Making improvements in the sound is both rewarding and provides me with a sense of control.  "I am the master of my own domain" sort of thing.  

On the other hand, as I had the means I moved up to buying higher levels of hifi gear.  That has its own type of satisfaction as well.  Good gear sounds even better than what I was able to do on my own with tweaks and upgrades.  But still, having that experience I believe, made me savvy as to which high end components were worth the price of admission.  

The engineers in the business have many more resources and capabilities at hand to develop an audio component with much more performance capability than most of us.  A good example of that, is the experience I had once while working with Ford engineers at one of their proving grounds in the early 1990s.  The Mustang development crew was working in the bays adjacent to where I was working.  They had a very large stack of tires in their bay- many different brands.  A pack of 5 or 6 Mustangs would go out to the tire test track every morning with new tires.  It got to be annoying, I would hear tires squealing on that track all day long.  At the end of the day these Mustangs would return with bald tires.  I said, "Wait a minute.  Weren't those new tires just this morning?"  The engineers confirmed to me that they were.  By the end of the week that large stack of tires was gone.  These engineers had assessed the performance of a large group of tires on a sample size of 6 cars.  And this was just the hot summer testing.  

I'm not saying audio gear is tested with the same type of rigor but the point is the developers typically know what components work best in their gear but they also often have to fight with the bean counters to come to a cost/performance compromise.  Knowing which components to replace with what is the real trick.

@pindac it’s probably best to start a new discussion. You’ll get more visibility that way and get more answers.

@adasdad 

If I were you, I’d have as few powered boxes between my router and your DAC as possible.

Last night, for the first time with my new DAC, I unplugged all the apparatus between my router and DAC and compared going from the router to the DAC with just an Amazon cat 6 cable. The difference was huge- much larger than I thought it would be. It makes me want to investigate adding an auxiliary clock into the chain as well, as many others have reported having a positive benefit. 

@mdalton not buy but try. Buying used would be okay; cause if it didn’t work, I could sell it with not much loss.

I am yet to be convinced that streamers don’t work. Keeping an open mind to see if a streamer recommended by a fellow Nagra tube dac owner works for me.

 

@adasdad thanks for your kind note. Currently I have taken a break from streaming, only ripped CD audio files for now, but when I do get back to streaming I will keep your advice in mind.

 

cheers!