Do you trust your ears more than measurements?


I have a lot of audiophiles that say the ear test is the best. I believe them. Some of us have to do blind tests etc. I’m in the camp of trusting your own ears because no matter how something measures. Is it more pleasing to you with a particular cable, placement tweak etc. What are your thoughts everyone? 

calvinj

I use my ears always.  I’m in it to enjoy my music. I dilly around with speaker placement a little. I get my gear in place and make sure it’s properly cabled and and set up and I’m happy. I’m not in it for a science project. I’m in it for the joy of the music. 

100% ears +100% mechanical ,electrical and acoustical measures = psychoacoustics intelligence and mature audio experience in a dynamic process going from the ears to the parameters in a cycle which is called : optimization of a system in a room for my specific ears ... ( ideally we must measures also our Inner ears and the HTRF factor)

 

 

Anything else is "branded name" marketing promotion for our favorite piece of gear or worst : price tag audiophile superstition called "my taste" or worst called "my experience" ... 😁...

As an example of the thing we must learn, at the price of loosing money and wasting our time; i just listened to an interesting video of Jay , a high end reviewer here and dealer, an honest dude, but he learned after spending money on hundreds of amplifiers and speakers ( high end products) he just learned very recently that room acoustic matter as much as any gear if not more at the end...😁

I am sure he will learn soon why all stereo system are flawed and how to cure it ... But it is another story...😊

Then spare your money and time , more than just room acoustic, read and study acoustics articles and psychoacoustics research basics, among other very basic mechanical and electrical factors, and suspend any upgrading expanse, try some experiments and think again instead of throwing money at the race of upgrading... Learn how to embed ANY system with all kind of measures and some acoustic experiments and perhaps as myself you will be surprized by the results...

My hobby is now listening music not a foolish upgrading race or a frustrated audio experience... A relatively low cost system ( we dont all have the same budget for sure) well chosen and well embed can give minimal acoustical satisfaction passed a minimal threshold... So much so, it does not appear as a stopgap but as the first level of audiophile experience... sound ectasy begin here ... No need to invest much money at all cost if you learn how to do it right to begin with...

The good news is it does not takes so much money...

The bad news is it ask for studies and times...

But being creative is more fun than giving your hard won money...

If you are without short budget and with a deep pocket, forget my post, and buy your dream high cost system plug it on the wall and called it audiophile TOP experience with the price tags to prove it for sure...😊

After all we are all in our own world and with our own needs...

 

Then to answer the OP , his question makes not much sense because we must trust our ears for sure but we must train our ears too than we must experiments with all kind of measures and varying parameters...

Opposing hearing and measuring is stupid.... We must correlate the two in a learning cycle... If we want to UNDERSTAND with our ears and if we want to hears with our brain working...

 

When I read the subject line my initial response was I trust my ears.  Then I read @hilde45 comment and I reconsidered.  I trust my ears and not  strictly measurements.  However, listening and then taking measurements in my room allowed me to make changes so things sound even better.  I agree measurements cannot possibly tell the entire story or even most of it, but in room measurements can be revelatory.  They have allowed me to make changes to something that, initially, was pleasing and make it better.

Sad this has to be asked. Those trading measurements for clicks are misleading many.

False dichotomy.

I use my ears, 100%...
I have no idea how it measures. Sure sounds good, though.

If you’re happy, you’re happy. That doesn’t mean it can’t sound better. But if you’re happy not knowing that, good for you. Wallow in contentment! Enjoy!

Ones ears are a far more sensitive instrument than all of the commonly used measurements / charts taken together by an enormous amount. Trained ears / mind is an order of magnitude more sensitive.
So 100% ears.
I use my ears always. I’m in it to enjoy my music.

People who measure their rooms are in it to enjoy the music, too.

Ears are sensitive. But room acoustics are complex -- too complex for ears to contend with. No one surveys a field accurately by just "eyeballing it." Better measurements can lead to results -- results that our very sensitive ears can hear.

Is it too much of a bother to measure? Then just say that. But the supposition that "ears are enough" is just false.

You can listen without measuring but when time comes to figure out what’s wrong or could be made better you can only guess and the devil is always in the details....If you haven’t measured your room, you are working with a huge handicap. I suspect many would be off the hifi merry go round a lot faster once they come to the realization that it’s largely room acoustics they hear so it’s important to know what those are in order to be able to cut to the chase. Throwing more money at the problem alone is not a very effective way to fix what’s broken in most cases.

Exactly right. Of course, many on this thread sound content. If things sound good enough, then leave it alone. But I suspect the urge to bash measurement -- in conjuction with hearing -- is borne of a desire not to want to go there.

Audio is subjective.

But that statement is subjective, too, right? ;-)