Are there other people like me ? Amazed by their low cost system :)


Are there other people so much amazed by a relatively low cost system , they consider that is not a stopgap but instead a minimally satisfying ectasy... Each day i am amazed by my speakers and headphone... Am i deaf? Am i ignorant of high end ? Be assured that i know better system with higher acoustic experience and more refined exist ...

My point is an experienced and felt minimal threshold of acoustic qualities and well done and well realized and well manifested acoustic factors exist for me and are at play, for the price invested; so much so , i consider any upgrade way less tempting and if possible would be more, way more , costlier to appear as a real upgrade in quality... For sure an upgrade of part at low cost unbeknowst to me is possible but i must live with what i have for now but i feel no frustration at all. 😊

Am i the only one deluded in this way or enlightened in this way ? Pick your choice of word.... 😎

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Sorry but you are deluded by marketing audiophilia...

No acoustician need the opinion of a crowd of audiophiles, they need their ears and basic knowledge...

I am not an acoustician but i know some basic and tuned my own room... ( with 100 Helmholtz resonators tuned mechanically and i modified the porthole of my speakers and their waveguide and i modified my headphone then... I dont need your opinion about my system limits and qualities i already know them ... Guess how ? 😁 You know enough about me now to know the right answer, but i wll write it to spare you heavy thinking : acoustic experiments...

And i will add that a good sound is not the result of an audiophilia marketing contest , it could be yes, but i dont need to participate...

A minimal acoustic satisfaction threshold exist where all factors in spite of their measured and audible limitations exhibit a very high S.Q. experience with a relatively low price tag... A maximum acoustic satisfaction threshold exist too and you need a dedicated acoustic room anyway to reach this target also...

The gear price tags if synergy is there matter less in the two case : minimal or maximal satisfaction threshold.. Guess why ? 😊

In conclusion my system is not amazing for all in the absolute, it is amazing taken into account the ratio between cost and S.Q.  and taking into account  the resulting balance between each acoustics  experienced concepts describing the experience . ( Timbre and immersiveness if we pick the two most general one)

If knowledgeable people aren’t coming over to listen to your system and tell you that it is amazing then it probably isn’t and you are deluded.

The goal of this hobby, the journey is first knowledge and fun mechanical and electrical and acoustic experiments , then when the minimal satisfaction acoustic threshold is reached , it is music listening in sound ectasy...

Upgrading race without budget limit is reserved to those who dont have the time for experiments nor the room and with unlimited pocket...

They do not captivate me nor the reviewers speaking to them...

I prefer reading about acoustics... Not mere room acoustic but now acoustics with an "s" ... Try Dr. Edegar Choueiri and Toole Books...Try discussion  and controversies between acoustician in discussion... Etc...

Have you ever compared your low cost system to higher end gear? It could be a case if ignorance is bliss.

 

Most people who claim that dont know what is acoustics...

They had never experimented before with acoustics co0ncepts in a dedicated room and they have never modify their speakers or headphone by experiments...

To prove this fact , take the reviewer Jay , he just give a video, in the last month about a very high end possible speakers, and speaking about buying it or not as possibility he confessed that recently he created an acoustic dedicated room , after years of buying high end gear pieces, and he confessed sincerely , he is honest guy, that NOW the speakers must be picked for his room because now he had learned and understood how the room acoustic impact the system and he love his actual dedicated room ...

In my experience the dedicated room acoustic impact as much as the choice of gear... Jay will not contradict me here...😊

 

Most audiophilia marketing of any piece of gear given as the solution conditioned the mind in this narrow road where  purchasing money is primary over acoustic and even mechanical and basic electrical  knowledge and can replace it...Most speakers sellers dont advise their customers to study acoustics before buying their piece and rarely  will advise  the customer after selling it ... guess why ?

Many dont have the room nor the time to learn and experiment with  this, and anyway why devalorizing the "miraculous" power of their purchase by advising a not so easy task of learning curve  ?

 

You sound like a nice guy. But many of your posts sound like you have a beef with higher end gear. There is more to higher end gear than just speakers and room acoustics! And BTW, who is this Jay guy you are referring to?

In the opposite...

If i had the money, i will had a dedicated room as i had and as i have now ( a smaller one though this time ) and a system with no cost limit...

But i am not at all frustrated and i am in bliss with what i have...

Why ?

Because i know nevermind the cost of the system how to use acoustic, mechanical and electrical basic to reach the minimal acoustic satisfaction threshold, where i am now or if the money were unlimited i will target the maximal acoustical satisfaction threshold... These two thresholds had one thing in common : a rightfull experienced acoustic balance between all measurable acoustics factors...

 

Jay is the most known high end reviewer of audiogon... An honest person in my opinion ...

Then not knowing the difference between these two acoustic threshold of satisfaction i spoke about and not knowing the necessary SAME BASIC KNOWLEDGE which will be necessary to reach them , which is the same exact knowledge , you accused me, without any malicious intent for sure, but by ignorance of despising High end products... Which only a fool can do , because even if pricing is debatable about high end , we must pay for qualitative superior deesign, period... But qualitative high end design need the same basic knowledge as low cost system to be installed and implemented the right way to reach the maximum acoustical satisfaction threshold anyway...

Thank you for your kindness toward me... i love discussion though...😁😊

I am a retired old fool ...Then i had the time to learn since my retirement doing it full time...My dream was listening music with no sound frustration but not much money to invest only homemade solutions and time and a free room to use for experiments... I succeeded. And my post are here to motivate people creativity, nevermind their system price or quality level...If i could do it anyone can... But it is impossible without learning basic acoustics concepts...

Sometimes many years ago now i understood why i was frustrated: the reason is our journey is about studying and experimenting , not a race to purchase to forgot and erase our frustrations about our system actual acoustic state ...

I was right , i am no more frustrated... 😊

the minimal satisfaction acoustic threshold is not a stopgap by the way compared to the maximal one...

The reason is simple . The maximal threshold and the minimal one are an acoustically balanced experience between all factors in their own compared acoustic ratio, even if the maximal one exceed in refinement the minimal one for sure...You cannot rival a Revel speakers set well embedded in his room with my modified small cost speakers so good they are and they are ...Only an idiot can claim that and i am not one... I dont even need to listen to Revel speakers to know that... I know how to embed ANY speakers...

Understanding what is the relative balance between all acoustic factors at play  as they can be experienced in a room dedicated to the speakers and specific ears is key here ...

 

You sound like a nice guy. But many of your posts sound like you have a beef with higher end gear. There is more to higher end gear than just speakers and room acoustics! And BTW, who is this Jay guy you are referring to?