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Issue with Audio Research 5SE Preamp

For a couple of months now I have had a problem with my system that I have now narrowed down to my ARC 5SE Preamp.  The issue is intermittent and not reproducible and I'm not sure how I would describe it in a way that I could search for a solution.  Every so often, but not frequently, so lets say every 3-7 days, while I am playing music there will be a loud thump from my subwoofers and my PS Audio BHK 300 Monoblocks will go into Fault Mode as the protection circuit is triggered.  This issue has occurred with multiple different DACs and streamers so my conclusion is the problem is with the 5SE preamp.  Once I turn the PS Audios back on playback will resume normally and it may be many days before it happens again.  I assume if the BHK 300's didn't automatically turn off whatever is happening might blow up my speakers but the only sound is the loud thump from the subwoofers.

My full system is Eversolo A8 streaming Roon to an Holo May KTE connected by XLR to the ARC 5SE connected by XLR to the PS Audio BHK 300 Monoblocks connected to Magnepan 20.7s.  I also have a DBX Driverack PA2 connected to the second set of outputs on the 5SE and the subs are connected to the Driverack PA2.  I have a phono stage connected to the 5SE but it normally isn't powered on and the problem has never occurred when I am playing a record but that doesn't necessarily mean anything since I mostly stream.

Since the problem has occurred with other DACs and both of the BHK 300s are overloaded at the same time it seems like it must mean there is a problem with the 5SEs but I have no idea what they would be.  In general, the system sounds fantastic.

Has anybody run into anything like this before?

pinwa
pinwa OP
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I've replaced all the tubes in the 5SE including Electro Harmonix 6H30PI in place of the 6N6P that I personally think sound better.  I'll post here again if the problem recurs.  It might take a few weeks to be sure it is fixed.  If I don't post again you can assume the problem was with the tubes.

And thanks for all the suggestions.

bigkidz
3,404 posts
 

If it is not the tube, then a capacitor possibly going bad.

 

 

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curiousjim
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Fingers crossed that the problem is fixed.

biglou13
38 posts
 

Trust the engineers.Go back to stock tubes.

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mulveling
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I never tried 6N6 sub in my Ref 6, but I remember this being discussed several years ago on other forums (WBF). It was warned these tubes will have a shorter than expected life in ARC preamps. 1,600 hours is likely way too much for them, and the 6550 should be replaced too at this point.

I got the impression 6N6 is being run very hard (beyond their specifications) in these circuits. The sub was also never sanctioned by ARC. You’re playing with fire.

Subs to the power tube are also possible - KT88, KT90 (you have to run with lid off due to tube height, but I was told this is a very good tube here) - also not officially sanctioned by ARC, though I haven’t heard any ominous warnings about that sub. In that case, you’re going to a more robust tube (don’t try a KT120 or anything that will draw more heater current, though). I personally used KT88 with no problem in Ref 6. But the stock tubes are good - and I agree with others, these circuits are just NOT made for tube rollers. I’d stick to 6N30 (aka 6H30) and try to compensate for the sonics elsewhere. Nice excuse to upgrade your DAC and cartridge :) I’m curious though, what did the 6N6 do that you liked better?

I guess if you're adventurous and want to continue the 6N6 ride...no more than 1000 hours max per set.

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