How To Control The Eager Beaver


I’m sure that there is a better term for this but my Googling didn’t reveal one.  Analog is a secondary source for me, generally confined to albums that never made it to digital.  So I got one of these 45 year old favorites from eBay and it has a common issue that I’ve had with other turntables besides my current one in the past.

  When I depress the cueing for the tonearm it skips the first few measures .  I have to manually and slowly lower the tonearm and even then it still does this about half the time.  This only happens with certain LPs.  Is it record warping?

 

  I had my dealer check the cartridge alignment a few weeks ago.

 

  Again I’ve tried Googling this and I just haven’t been able to come up with much except improper cartridge alignment and record warping.

  Just wondering what people in this Forum, who are an amazing collection of knowledge, think

mahler123

Most often, skipping inward has to do with the point a which the arm is set down and the speed at which the arm is set down.  Records have a raised bead around the edge of the record to strengthen the record at its most exposed part, and in the old days, to keep the playing surface from contacting another record when stacked for automatic play.  When the needle is set down on top of that raised bead, it falls down that little hill and can gain enough momentum to slide past the first grooves.  If you have the ability to adjust the point of set down, choose a point farther into the record and away from the edge.  It seems counter intuitive to set a needle down further into the record when it is skipping the first grooves, but this works.  It also helps to have a slow descent of the arm to also reduce the momentum sliding down the edge bead.

If you cannot adjust the set down point, you can keep the arm cued up, and before cuing down, you can nudge the arm a little bit inward to miss the bead.

While excessive anti-skating can exacerbate the problem, it is not the primary cause.  If it were the cause the needle would continue to slide in well past the first few grooves because skating force is not much different between the first contact point and where it stops sliding inward.  

@larryi 

  I suspect that is the issue.  My dealer had just checked the settings on the tt and cart.  When I manually lower the arm about half the time the issue occurs; probably I am setting it past the hill on some occasions.

I agree with Larry in that I think the stylus is sliding on the raised lip. That plus too low a setting of VTF could result in the observed problem. But I would also point out that the skating force does pull the stylus inward toward the label, so too much AS (which pulls in the opposite direction) would not be expected to be the cause of this problem. Maybe try increasing VTF by just a hair so as not to exceed the recommended max? And see that that does.

However, the skating force alone is usually not sufficient in magnitude to account for the observation, unless the tonearm is wildly misaligned. Think of it, zero anti-skate, which results in unopposed skating force, all other things being properly adjusted, does not cause the stylus to skip outer grooves per se. Moreover, the skating force is not maximal at the outermost grooves.

I don’t have any problems like that when listening to Qobuz’s higher quality than vinyl music on my mid-fi system (NA C700, Monitor Audio Silver floorstanders).