Some thoughts on dust covers


Over the course of time there have been many discussions concerning the subject of dust covers.  They tend to revolve around the central question:  Should the dust cover be down or up while playing records?  Some of these discussions have been nasty, consequently I have refrained from participation.  It is hoped that I can provide some common sense that was given to me by someone of unquestioned authority many years ago.  During college and after, from 1970 to ~1980 I worked in HiFi retail, selling high end lines of audio equipment.  One of these lines was Thorens.  Sometime around 1977 or 1978, if memory serves, Thorens introduced their new TD126, as a top of the line TT with their own arm and I sold the first one at our store to very good customer.  He came back very unhappy after the first night of frustration with it.  The problem was that with the dust cover closed some of his favorite records were hitting tangentally on the very back were the platter came closest to the dust cover when it was in the closed position.  I called the manufacturer's rep and he set up a three cornered phone call with himself, the Chief Engineer of Thorens at the time, and me.  I don't recall the man's name, but it doesn't matter, it is what he said that matters, then and now.  The Chief Engineer explained that the problem was caused because the hole in the offending records was slightly off center so there was an eccentricity as such a record rotates about the spindle.  The solution was simplicity itself, the dust cover should be removed always when playing records.  That the intent of the cover is to protect the turntable when not in use.  I pointed out that we lived in a semi-arrid environment (San Diego, CA) which is dusty to which he replied that if the environment was too dusty for records it should also be considered unhealthy for people to be breathing the air.  He recommended are filtration, not dust covers to address environmental concerns.  The rep asked about air bourne feedback from speakers and the Thorens guy laughed and said that if that was a problem in a given system, relying of the dust cover was a very flimsy and ineffective solution and that proper measures should be instituted to provide meaningful distance and isolation to ameliorate the problem.   So the often offered extremes:  a) Always play your records with the dust cover down, or b) put the dust cover away in it's box and never use it, should both be recognized for what they are are - not solutions at all.  First principles:  Identify the problem(s), seek solutions and alternatives, prioritize.

billstevenson

‘richardbrand’ has a head start with the answer so far l think. Exposing a record for the least amount of time is paramount.  1 - 0 to Richard.

Just how resolving is the system? Or the listener's apparatus? I can hear the difference a sheet of paper makes under a record. Dust notwithstanding, the audible impact of a hunk of plastic added to a system must be discernible.

  • the sonic effect of closing my dustcover seems to be subtle to non-existent, at least to my ears.
  •  I hear ZERO difference with the cover up or down !
noromance

"@elliottbnewcombjr Why not move the dining table set to the other end of the room?"

You would think, right. Of course I have moved the table/chairs out, tossed down a rug ... to compare/prove it still sounds great with them there. I’m actually quite pleased with how versatile the room is.

It’s one room, 14’ wide, 24’ long only 8’ high, with both music/dining at one end and living/video other end, a cross aisle to a 3 season porch just in front of these 2 listening chairs which simply turn around to join living/video which is oriented across the 14’ width behind them

 

 

 

Imaging is all Phantom in 2 Channel, the table and chairs may actually help with imaging once you accept that no sound is blocked, here we add a Christmas Tree which also blocks nothing except your mind if you think about it.

 

I add 3 leaves in the table for family gatherings

a member pointed out that the piano might make vibrations, I thought so too. I have tried with my Amazing Bytes CD to start/stop/listen to all 29 1/3 octave test tones, I cannot get the piano to sing.

The speakers are on 3 wheels, I can push them back into the corners when needed for holiday dinners, position/toe them in for one or two listeners, DBX Cross Dispersion Method as discussed here

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/11516

 

 

Elliot, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a square-shaped flat screen TV before now. Happy new year.

Anyone getting back to the real question posted on this thread?

 

Theres been so much off track mumbo-jumbo on furnishings, table/chairs, record clamps and TV innuendo. This just shouldn’t be here!

Point on task was simple, ‘dust covers’ on or off?