«Today’s Lyrics Are Pathetically Bad» Rick Beato
He know better than me. He is a musician and i am not. I dont listen contemporary lyrics anyway, they are not all bad for sure, but what is good enough is few waves in an ocean of bad to worst...
I will never dare to claim it because i am old, not a musician anyway, i listen classical old music and world music and Jazz...
And old very old lyrics from Franco-Flemish school to Léo Ferré and to the genius Bob Dylan Dylan...
Just write what you think about Beato informed opinion...
I like him because he spoke bluntly and is enthusiast musician ...
I'm confused. There are plenty of other genres that incorporate improvisation. I don't know what you mean by "improvising syntax set of rules integrating all instruments". Are you referring to simultaneous improvisation and drawing a line between it and the more common approach wherein individual players play solos in turn?
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@bdp24 Blues Hammer is Blues Hammer and you just have to accept it as such. I guess you can say they're sincere. There's a story about Sonny Boy Williams when he used the Yardbirds as his backing band while touring England. I don't have the exact quote, but he said something along the lines of "these boys want badly to play the blues -- and they do". Despite what Sonny Boy said I love the Yardbirds doing "I'm A Man". It may not really be blues, but it is inspired. How can you not like Jeff Beck and his Fender Esquire? |
For sure all music styles all over the world wrote their own syntax rules integrating if not potentially all instruments as for jazz a few even many (India-Persia). It is well known to anybody who like world music as i am ... But there is only one style which goes all around earth as an influences doing it at this scale and for such different cultures... No other genres did it as jazz did...I like Fado for example but it stayed in Portuguese world mainly and his syntax let no trace in Japan as Jazz did..
For sure all world music is based on improvisation... I like chinese music and japan traditional music, none of it let his syntax rules and chord scales imprint all around the world... Black traditional jazz begun to do it, it extended to all America, it reach Europe then it encompassed the world.. Is it pure jazz as in the golden age of jazz ? No.. Is it jazz at 100% like in the golden age now in all countries by those musicians calling themselves jazzmen? No.. But it does not invalidate my point that jazz became if not the only at least the main universal matrix of influence for all improvised music around the world so much that the classical folk music of many countries begun to kept jazz as an inspiration for his own growing transforming essence ... As Hollywood film making influenced all the world cinema... Is it a good thing ? For the Hollywood influence on other countries cinema i dont think it was only a good influence, it is a mix... For jazz it is almost all good influence... There is something new and universal in improvised jazz language at his core... As there is something universal exportable from this WRITTEN classical syntax european music ...So deep and original sophisticated are Indian and Persian music they were not exportable as Jazz or classical were... Yoruba talking drums language inspired the greatest acoustician i read but it is not universally exportable as a useful integrating syntax even if music is a universal understood language, not as exportable and integrating form as jazz improvisation rules and classical written language were...Because in all cultures the perceived meanings depend more of a specific instrument depth core timbre/tone meanings as physical instrument . Being Yoruba drums or tabla or all Veena variations or all various lutes family or flutes variation in Turkisch sufi music etc..
Frogman here being a musician can certainly better than me speak about it...
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You seem to be saying there exists a sort of Jazz "blueprint" that has been absorbed/integrated into many other genres, worldwide. You also seem to acknowledge that these other genres have, in turn, influenced Jazz. What, so far as I can tell -- and I admit I’m not doing a very good job of understanding your meaning-- you haven’t spelled out in musical terms, is what it is at the core of Jazz that comprises its universal aspect. Particular rhythms? Particular scales? Use of altered dominant 7th chords? "Vertical improvisation" in which a soloist "outlines" each chord change, as opposed to "horizontal" improvisation that tends to focus on developing longer themes or in the case of modal compositions, can employ a single scale over an entire progression? Something else? Perhaps this is what you are hoping our resident Jazz expert @frogman will define? Sorry if I’m being especially dense, here. Just trying to gain a clearer picture. ;o)
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I cannot describe what is at the core of jazz which is such that all musicians in the world in many different culture had begun to adopt it and used it to improve even their own innate musical language or their traditional instruments...
Observe that this is a fact not my opinion or my invention. there is jazz influences in Russia, as in japan or South America or in mid-eastern countries. Everywhere almost... There is jazz using oud for example in a mix which is some mideastern music instrument used in a jazz way...
But i can gave my explanation...
In jazz i felt a specific musical flowing time and timing sense a freedom which is related to the way musicians feel what a good improvisation is and must be and if it is successful one...
In other musical culture the importance of the specific instruments timbre and chords traditionally used act as a restraint because the final goal is more linked to specific traditional chosen instruments playing than to the improvisation with many non specifically chosen instruments as such as in jazz ( hammond or tuba or etc)...
The rules in traditional musics are more constraining than in jazz concerning the chosen instruments in use and concerning the rules over the improvisation session itself.
For example in India the veena is revered as a gift from Saraswati, his improvisations are heavily codified and the way to play the sound go with rigid rules.Same for the tabla. As it is for the Yoruba talking drums...
The way to play instruments are not so heavily codified in jazz... It is why jazz expressions styles had changed so much from so many different names,( bop , hard bop etc of style in 70 years golden age.
Jazz spirit is more free more easy to adopt even in the confine of other music traditions.
It is why i claimed that Jazz improvisation is universally influential in a way no other world music ever be save european classical written music tradition. this is less my claims than well known observable facts.
Also these two western music styles goes together, jazz and classical, with the same chords language and with some common background. ( negro spirituals, folk music & hymns of the pilgrims for example ) and had more influence all around earth together than any other musical traditional cultures on earth.
( japan music, Indian music and African music, Chinese music , Turkisch music has not that much in common as jazz and classical has)
I am not a musician and yes i need frogman here to correct me or to validate in a more professionnal way what i try to convey ...
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