Who positions their speakers straight ahead (zero tow in) and why.


I’ve been experimenting with toe in and tweeter position (inside v. outside) for my LRS and ProAC Studio 3 speakers. My listening position is about 8.5 feet from the speakers front surface.

In both cases I ended up with tweeters on the inside and zero toe in. I like the more immersive soundstage I get with zero toe in. I sacrifice a little of the lock in for the center image.

Zero toe in also makes my sweet spot for listening a little wider.

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I have a pair of Snell Type A's. They are designed to go flat against the wall and face straight out. They rate in the top category for sound.

Try this, Toe in the speaker one click,1/8 of an inch at a time on both speakers at a time, stop and listen, and you will notice the center will get better without losing soundstage. It should be very noticeable. You will get a sharp center, without losing soundstage on the side. The speaker will disappear from your room.

The formal answer is that toe in affects tweeter rolloff, the width of the sweet spot, the treble to midrange balance and early reflections.  There's also the issue of some excellent tweeters may have resonances which completely vanish a little off axis.

Many speaker brands are designed to optimally perform with little or no toe-in.  I include:

  • Magico
  • Focal
  • Revel

Magico and Revel in particular have great imaging across a wide listening area when placed with little toe-in and plenty of space to the sides and rear.

A little history may be helpful.  In the last 30 years or so tweeter manufacturing has come a long long way.  Cheap (< $50) tweeters often flat past 20 kHz, wide dispersion and low energy storage.  In the old days this was the realm of exotics, and if you wanted to hear everything you needed to point the speaker right at your head.

A related issue IMHO is the tweeter height.  Some speakers, like B&W, really should be listened to on mid-range height, not tweeter height.  So in general the best listening position for many speakers in the 21st century is with little toe in and perhaps significantly below the tweeter's laser like axis.

Harbeth  40.2,  backs against the wall and pointed straight ahead.These are a deep cabinet speaker and I just don't have room to pull out. I've always liked the sound from these speakers and haven't tried different arrangements except a little toe in. I find with no toe in the imaging is really good.

If the soundstage is more enveloping only if you fire forward, there are some deficiencies in the speaker. You compromise optimal sound power and the perception of it when firing forward, for example. The only exception to firing directly at the listener is.. concentric drivers. for instance, (slightly off axis is the way to go)...or some niche design like the Polk L800 SDA array, which malfunctions if you point it directly at ya.

Spendors, straight ahead. Better soundstaging. Nothing to do with hot tweeter.