Let's talk about Silver...


We got off on a short tangent in another discussion about the merits of silver in cables, but we did not want to derail that conversation. So I thought I would start a general discussion where folks can share their experiences, and opinions of course, with silver cables. This can include solid silver, silver plated or alloys, wire, connectors, analog, digital etc.

The knee jerk reaction in the audio world is to say that silver is bright, and in some cases that may be true, but I think it is not a universal truth. I am currently trialing some solid silver interconnects, and I have had some good success with silver in the digital realm. Please share your experience, and opinions of course.

 

zlone

Both times I tried silver interconnects, they were a little like chewing aluminum foil.

Although, that seems a little HARSH. ;)

@tony1954 "

I tried silver interconnects, they were a little like chewing aluminum foil.

Although, that seems a little HARSH. ;)"

Yes, but how thick of an aluminum foil were you chewing? I find copper plated with silver cables bright sounding in my analog component connections and most of the larger cable companies feel the same using silver plated stuff in digital and video connections. Now solid silver just the opposite. I use Kimber KCTG, which is the double run of KCAG and twice the price plus the speaker cable equivalent. Personally I find the KCTG less bright more detailed than the KCAG. It’s subtle but there. I spent time listening to a AE Ongaku and Gaku On mono amps that use as much silver as possible and I never thought or heard anyone call them bright amplifiers. I am using more balanced connections and Mogami , Canare speaker cables because I need sixteen ft pairs and my really pricey Kimbers are half the length. I do have a pair of Kimber 12TC with WBT expandable banana connectors.  They're really decent cables.  Last time I looked anything comparable from Kimber would cost a significant amount. Frankly high quality copper with polyethylene insulation are the best bang for the buck; close enough if not right there to my silver stuff. My opinion in my system.

 

@thelotusgroup 

Silver is 7% more conductive than copper

Well, it helps if you qualify whether this is by volume, by weight or by cost!

The conductivity measured across the opposite faces of a 1-metre cube of metal is roughly silver 63.0; copper 59.6; gold 41.1; aluminium 37.7.  So about 5.7% better conductivity for silver than for copper, when comparing the same volume. Not a lot in it, really.

But the specific gravities are 10.5, 8.95, 19.3 and 2.7 respectively.  The relative conductivities by weight are 6.0, 6.66, 2.13 and 14.0.  So copper is about 10% better at conducting electricity than silver, on a weight for weight basis.  Gold is about a third as good but aluminium is more than twice as good as copper!

So where mass matters, like in the moving coil of a dynamic speaker, or the moving coil of a cartridge, or high voltage transmission lines, aluminium is the metal to go for provided you can terminate it properly!  KEF know this and do it in their high-end speakers.

Now if you take into account the cost of the metal, it gets really interesting (obviously prices fluctuate daily so this is approximate).  If we take gold as the basis, silver offers about 250 times the bang for the buck, copper about 30,000 times, and aluminium a massive 210,000 times the conductivity per buck.  Thats why you never see gold transmission lines ...

You can tinker around with reducing impurities and growing single crystals but until somebody works out how to get superconductivity at room temperature, it really is tinkering with small differences

I have some bespoke silver connectors that I bought from a retired engineer who builds them at home. Helped with dull sounding gear- Lexicon,Arcam CD players etc. Worth a try, before you replace the unit.....

I also had Silver fuse  jumpers in a pair of Magnepan's. Sounded great till I melted a tweeter........ 

A silver wire will weigh more than a copper wire of the same gauge. Electrons flow more freely in silver than in copper. If you increase the gauge of a copper wire to match the weight of the silver wire they will still behave differently.