Your journey with lower-watt tube amps -- Can a kit be good enough?


Looking for stories about your low-watt amp journeys.

Here's the situation: I have new speakers, 97 db. Trying them with lower watt tube amps (45/211, 300b, etc) seems generally wise. I am attempting to borrow some from audiophiles in the area. 

The horizon beyond trying these things involves actually buying some. I'm looking at a budget limit of about $5k.

Curious as to folks' experience with lower-watt amp kits vs. those of good makers (e.g. Dennis Had, etc.).

If you have any thoughts about the following, I'd be interested:

Did you start out with a kit and then get dissatisfied? Why?

Did you compare kits vs. pre-made and find big differences?

Did you find you could get the equivalent level of quality in a kit for much less than the same pre-made version? How about kit vs. used?

Also: did you find there was a difference between "point to point wiring" vs. "PCB" in these various permutations?

I realize that there are good kits and bad ones, good pre-made amps and bad ones. I'm hoping you'll be comparing units which seem at comparable levels of quality and price-points.

Thanks.

hilde45

Speaking of "how far they can push it", I wish I had photos on hand of my local 55-year tech [now retired], he let me borrow his self named "FrankenDyna" ST35 loaner amp once.

It sorta looked like its original self in some ways, but not really, Kinda Fugly actually.  Super heavy for a small footprint.  It was really fun to play. Very-very musical, beautiful midrange, not overly dynamic, or overly detailed.  Just nice.  I could have listened to that amp ongoing. His Modded AudioNote amps are over the top, look nothing like the originals.  Its fun to try amps from mad scientists who create cool stuff just for fun.   

Highs pretty clear, though perhaps some slight roll off.

@hilde45 I was curious about this so I looked at the schematic of the amp.

 

The input resistor is 500KOhms (or 470K) to ground. With an input impedance that high, the amp can be sensitive to interconnect cables. If the resistor were changed to 100K, the amp’s character would be unchanged and it would still work with any preamp but the cable sensitivity would be vastly reduced.

So you might consider getting that resistor changed in each channel and see if you still think there’s a slight roll off.

BTW, the older amps have an input coupling capacitor which can usually be replaced with a bit of wire as the input circuit is at zero Volts.

@atmasphere We tested the amp for distortion and found that the left channel had a magnitude more distortion than the right; @5 watts it was 3.5%! So, we opened the amp up and there was a mis-wired tube socket with reversed leads. Green went to blue and vice versa. Someone did not do due diligence. After fixing that, everything was fantastic -- very low distortion and balanced between channels.

@hilde45 +1

Its amazing it did as well as it did initially! It's my surmise the prior owner never played the amp that much due to the error. So it might sound a bit better with some break-in.