@devonplombier
"@richardbrand that's a cute story. Are you making that up? 🤔"
That story is just that - a story. It is not correct.
By the way, even though Grange is the dearest Aust wine it is by far not the best.
The Audio Science Review (ASR) approach to reviewing wines.
Imagine doing a wine review as follows - samples of wines are assessed by a reviewer who measures multiple variables including light transmission, specific gravity, residual sugar, salinity, boiling point etc. These tests are repeated while playing test tones through the samples at different frequencies.
The results are compiled and the winner selected based on those measurements and the reviewer concludes that the other wines can't possibly be as good based on their measured results.
At no point does the reviewer assess the bouquet of the wine nor taste it. He relies on the science of measured results and not the decidedly unscientific subjective experience of smell and taste.
That is the ASR approach to audio - drinking Kool Aid, not wine.
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@laoman My original comment was about Penfolds's Grange which was rejected by French critics until it was tasted blind, as related in the DVD. I accidentally quoted about a second Australian wine because I thought it was the same occasion but sometimes history repeats and I got it wrong! I tend to agree with you about Grange - it is not a wine I have ever bought, but it sometimes featured in our monthly blind tastings against three similar reds. Every time, it was ranked bottom, to the chagrin of our host, by all attendees and across two bottles. Now I do have a couple of magnums of Henshke Hill of Grace in my basement ... |
I did mention that copper tarnishes. I also pointed to a reason why speaker cables of different resistance should alter the tonal balance. So why do you think I deny cables sound different? I merely pointed out that it is not due to a difference in the signal speed in the cable, which is close to the speed of light for silver and copper.
I would not be that dogmatic! Copper wires of high purity hold their shape well, after all. |
@oberoniaomnia "So the burden or proof is with those who think there is a difference" There should be no "burden of proof" in these matters. The burden of proof is for the individual to decide. Not for us to prove to the rest of the community what we can clearly hear. Luckily for us that can hear the differences, we have gone beyond standard testing and used our own ears to decide what we can hear. Shocking really! And when these differences can be repeated numerous times and we hear the same difference when gear is changed. And when even non "audiophile" friends and family can admit they hear a marked difference when it comes to cabling, power conditioning and amplification, then clearly we don't need empirical data to tell us there is a difference. The "burden of proof" is on the engineer to use their technical knowledge to create a product that creates a value added proposition to the end user. The only burden of proof we need is with our own ears. But the reason why we call out establishments like ASR is because some people take their opinion and measurements as reality and as the sole place to make decisions regarding their gear. When in fact, it is far from the entire understanding of what is happening in an audio system. Valuable information? Yes. Contains every variable to help you decide the right gear for you? No To be fair I still can't tell much of a difference in interconnects...
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Well said. I'd like to ask the ASR supporters. 1) What has ASR actually done to propel this industry forward? 2) Name a product(s) that has world class measurement from ASR that also happens to be beloved by the experienced audio community. 3) Name a product you absolutely love thanks to ASR recommendations. |
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