Did I Expect too much?


I purchased a pair of speakers from a US manufacturer who I shall not name.  The speakers are beautiful and the sound exceeds my expectations (after a minor upgrade).  So why would such a reputable company use six dollar binding posts?  It makes no sense.  I replaced them with Cardas binding posts and decent 12 gauge wire between the driver and posts.  My system is valued for clarity and clean highs.  The difference was audible.  I know, snake oil.  But it wasn’t.  I don’t think that spending $15K for speakers is nothing.  So yes, I was disappointed.  

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@steve59 I don't think need for value is the culprit here, need to keep cost of device lower and/or extract max profit margiins culprit for the labor cost part of equation. Price is the major purchasing determiner for consumer items, value hard to determine or doesn't even enter the mind.

Looks like you got robbed hard man, sorry to hear.

Here’s a speaker made in America, i know something about...with cardas binding posts, mundorfs n all built in...all of it for $2200 new.

https://www.audiogon.com/listings/lisbdc6a-tekton-design-epic-15-full-range

When it beats the sonic daylights out of that thing you bought for 15k back to Timbuktu, get your money back and save yourself $15000 - $2200 = $12800

God bless.

 

o why would such a reputable company use six dollar binding posts?  It makes no sense.  I replaced them with Cardas binding posts and decent 12 gauge wire between the driver and posts.  My system is valued for clarity and clean highs.  The difference was audible.  I know, snake oil.  But it wasn’t.  I don’t think that spending $15K for speakers is nothing.  So yes, I was disappointed.  

 

 

The Charney speakers have maybe 150 hours on them. The AER BD3 drivers are not broken in as yet. So best to hold off on any reviews until about 500 hours. My initial impression of the AER drivers are that they are well balanced single source drivers with whizzer cones that enhance high frequency response. Even now, the immediacy of transitional tones is impressive. Full review to follow.

 
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@steve59 I don't think need for value is the culprit here, need to keep cost of device lower and/or extract max profit margiins culprit for the labor cost part of equation. Price is the major purchasing determiner for consumer items, value hard to determine or doesn't even enter the mind.

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sure, there's brands that can pull prices out of the air without justification, but they don't get my dollar. 

It seems that some people think the binding post makes the speaker.  I don't see how anyone can claim you got ripped off just on the basis of the quality of the binding post, particularly when it hasn't even been established that the binding posts were inappropriate for the model of speaker.  The Charney speakers I head were screaming bargains based entirely on what I heard, not based on slim evidence that they used a few cheap parts.  I will not fault the post recommending a Tekton speaker because I think they are pretty good for their price too, but, someone who likes the immediate, lively and engaging sound of Charney speakers has not been ripped off.  If you can improve them by customizing certain parts selections, have at it.  Almost all speakers can be improved by making them fit one's personal system and taste--change wiring to the speaker and inside the speaker, change footers, etc.  But, it is NOT the case that more expensive, popular parts will always be better--I know a custom builder who can almost instantly spot the use of Mundorf capacitors in speakers and amps; he hates them almost with a passion.

@langla4

Did you contact Charney about your concerns regarding the binding posts? If not why?  Brian is very accessible through phone or email. You must have his contact info since you purchased them. 
 

My Companions have Cardas posts with a custom mount inside.