@stuartk Sorry, I didn't notice that you wanted to extend the topic. Let's view it through this lens: for "singer-songwriter-self-accompanists," the baseline is necessarily below the Mark Knopfler level -- let's say the Jim Croce level. Croce's playing is adequate to support his intricate lyrics, melodies, chromatics, but still he is not thought of as a guitarist per se. Given that Taylor's lyrics are insipid, vacuous, and/or pretentious, his melodies elementary, three-chord stuff, and his one-octave voice thin and reedy, he would need to be a Knopfler-level guitarist to merit my listening. Actually, juxtaposition with Knopfler is another good lens, given that Taylor sings the part of Charles Mason in Knopfler's "Sailing to Philadelphia," which is 100 times better than anything Taylor could ever conceive. Knopfler would be famous for guitar work even if he never wrote or sang anything. Who, I wonder, would make such a claim for Taylor? Nobody I ever heard of.