KT88 vs 6550 vs ? for warm midrange - using Cronos Mag lll


I've been listening to an ST70 with EL34 Tubes & really enjoy the Sound .

Using the Cronos with KT120's  it's a different sound / feel - sounds wonderful but seems either more balance / neutral overall . Maybe more lower end but not as sweet in mid range as the 34's 

34's in the cronos is possible but not really advisable [ too much current into tubes - 1/2 the life span  even with proper biasing ] 

I've been running the amp in Triode mode and seem to prefer sound .  Listening levels are moderate / low  avg 75 db 

I'm good with the kt120's but maybe another tube would bring more mids to the game 

 

* Note - I have changed All the preamp tube to NOS - It has been a significant improvement !-  Telefunken is at center  12au7 , flanked by RCA clear tops , 2 GE ax7 's 

Any suggestions for power tubes is most welcome - Rogue audio is shipping  kt88's in lieu of the 120's [ for yrs due to war etc.] 

what's gained or lost when changing from the 120's ?

 

forgot - Primary Speakers - Dynaudio special 40's , primary source is Vinyl 

 

Thanks  

 

mfm22

You need to get hold of the plate curves for the two tube types. That’s a graph displaying plate current vs plate voltage with separate curves for each bias setting displayed on that background. See how they compare.Then make some measurements of voltages in the amp itself. See if you’re in the ballpark for the 6550. The ambiguous response you got from Quad(?) was not super helpful. Or just try it.

Work on the signal tubes first.

The old production 12au7's you picked are on the bright/lean side per my experience.

The GE 12ax7's should be OK if they are drivers.

 

DeKay 

I guess to more directly address your question - exactly who said EL34 would have less lifespan here, unless you’re purposely biasing to run hot? That’s the first ever I’ve heard this. The bias on these amps is infintely adjustible per tube, and an EL34 can handle much more plate voltage than these amps throw at it. In fact the original Cronus and Atlas shipped with EL34 (I had an Atlas like this - it is a Cronus without the 12AU7 "preamp" tube and volume control).

As for tube sonics - Tung-Sol KT120’s give a perception of more powerful bass. Its midrange can be a little drier than with Gold Lion KT88, so probably not the right move for what you want. 6550 should not be a problem in these amps - very close to KT88. I’ve even used Tung-Sol 7581A (very close to a 6L6GC, not that close to 6550 / KT88) in Rogue amps - you’re probably approaching its plate voltage limits, but it worked in the ST100 and gave a bit of a more "classic" tube sound versus KT88 / KT100. A nice tube in the ST100, at least. Been years since I ran my old Atlas with British EL34, but that was pretty decent. The Mullards do what they can on these amps - they will never be "warm"-warm. You put those same Mullards in an Eico EF-87 and you get WARM-warm. 

12AU7 is probably used as a driver tube, which means it adds no gain and probably has little effect on SQ.  However, in my experience, there is no such thing as a good sounding 12AU7.  I replace them with 12FQ7 or 6FQ7 (depending on the available filament voltage), which sound noticeably better. If you're swapping power tubes willy nilly, then you need to be aware of how the amplifier can run one tube vs another.  If the plate voltage, grid bias, etc, are inappropriate for one tube vs another, then that is going to affect how you judge the tube. Ideally you would want to reconfigure the amplifier to run the power tube under conditions that optimize its performance, before you judge the tube. That usually can be done merely by changing a few resistors after taking measurements of voltages.

lewm:

Yes, two 12au7’s are used to drive the power tubes and the  two 12ax7’s are phase splitters (I think?).

The 3rd 12au7 would be the one to roll to something warmer/fuller sounding like Mullard or Amperex (just avoid later Amperex 12au7’s with a dimpled disc getter).

So, one or two 12au7 tubes to roll (Amperex,/Mullard/RCA?) as an experiment as opposed to quads of power tubes.

 

DeKay