Let's talk music, no genre boundaries


This is an offshoot of the jazz thread. I and others found that we could not talk about jazz without discussing other musical genres, as well as the philosophy of music. So, this is a thread in which people can suggest good music of all genres, and spout off your feelings about music itself.

 

audio-b-dog

@mahgister 

I love music that calls out fascism and injustice.

I suspect you are misinterpreting "calling out". 

To "call out’ actually means to "draw critical attention to someone’s unacceptable actions or behavior."

Thus, this is the opposite of "calling for" or "supporting" ! 

I dont doubt that you and me or the poster himself are not fascist...

But i am very surprised to categorize music as "fascist" or anti-fascist"...

The National hymn of the Nazi for example and some political song are fascist music...

But when Bob Dylan denounce the assassination of JFK  in a written song with words, is it anti-fascist music ? No it is a song denouncing an injustice...

but perhaps i misinterpret his post...

"le chant des partisans" in France is specifically a beautiful anti-fascist song...

But generally speaking  there is no fascist music or antifascist music genre...

Most music is written for a specific event... Fascist event or anti-fascist event but these are exceptional and from the past history...

My surprise is that i never thought of music as fascist or antifascist music in general...

Then if i come and write in a post  that i like anti-fascist music it sound strange when i read this...  Who is fascist nowadays ?  Biden ,Trump, Macron, Putin, Xi ? or Trudeau ?

The concept of fascism is dated...And never used to speak about music ...and today politics is way over past distinction as fascist/anti-fascist,CommunisT/capitalist,left/right, these distinctions made  less and less sense with the passing years...

I like music denouncing injustice... Protest songs...but these are songs with written words, not anti-fascist music which do not exist anyway as a genre ...

Perhaps  i misunderstood this one line post...

I apologize then ...

 

 

I just think again about a great classical work which is antifascist and not a song ...

Rzewski... It is clearly an antifascist work...( against fascist general Pinochet put in place by US who battle against fascist 30 years before US selected Pinochet)

 ... And it is an antifascist work from not long ago (against capitalism) ...

My favorite version is by Rzewski himself all others interpretation lack the pulse the composer push in his piano playing ...

It is one of the great American classical work of music in my opinion ...I was stunned the first time i heard it 15 years ago...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJ9wHo9Mgc&list=RDKnJ9wHo9Mgc&start_radio=1

 

 Then i overreacted to the post and i apologize...

 

 

**** The concept of fascism is dated...And never used to speak about music ...and today politics is way over past distinction as fascist/anti-fascist,CommunisT/capitalist,left/right, these distinctions made  less and less sense with the passing years... ****

Very insightful and so true!  As true as is the word itself overused these days; often without understanding its true meaning.

Don't want to get in a political dispute. I did, however, read a book on fascism a few years ago by Madeline Albright, and she defines it. I also read the "Origins of Totalitarianism" by Hannah Arendt and she does a good job of describing it in much more detail. The word has broadened out over the years, but it still can be defined. I won't try here, however.

@audio-b-dog , for the record, my comments were not a reference to anything you wrote.  I’m sure you are well versed in the meaning of the word.