Do Audiophiles usually keep the gain of the digital source at around 80%?


My setup is:

A8 Eversolor DAC and streamer

McIntosh C12000 preamp

REL sub 810

Focal Sopra n1 speakers. 

861 Moon amp

I keep my McIntosh preamp usually between 50-60% volume. Any higher would make the sound thin like.

For the Eversolo streamer (which I am enjoying quite a bit for the money), I keep between 75% -85% max gain. With older songs that are recorded at lower volume, I have it at 85%. But with songs that are recorded louders (mostly newer songs) it would cause some/slight clipping at that level so I to have lower the gain to about 75% max gain.  

I saw that there was a max volume throughput option on the Eversolo, but when I try that I can’t really get the system as loud as I want it without clipping and distortion setting in early. 

Is this normal for Audiophiles to keep the gain on the digital signal about 80%?

Wasn’t sure if this should go into digital forums or preamps since both are used here, so I posted here. 

 

dman777

... This not correct. The Eversolo doesn’t really have a preamp function, it only has digital volume control, you need analog volume control in order to be considered a preamp, and even then it would only be a passive device. You absolutely need to run the Eversolo at 100% with pass through volume control to extract maximum sound quality. 

This is absolutely incorrect statements.  A lot of misinformation floating here and people need to do their homework before writing...

The DMP-A8 has a fully balanced analog preamplifier section complete with R2R volume control and a pair each of RCA and XLR inputs. That makes it a more complete no-compromise integrated solution in which users just add power amp or active speakers and control everything from the Eversolo itself, with no outboard preamplifier needed. 

In addition, more and more players like Wiim Ultra use 32 bit for digital volume control.  Unless you attenuate volume more than, say, 50dB, you are free of negative consequence of bit-depth truncation for high-rez music listening.  There are more than enough headroom to control volume digitally with no audible degradation even down to very low levels.

There are two things here. 

1. DACs capable of directly driving power amps obviously incorporate some kind of line stage (preamp) circuitry, allowing them to output the voltage required to do so. Without it, they wouldn't be able to drive a power amp any more than a turntable or a CD player can.

Obviously, the quality of that preamp section will vary from one DAC to another.

2. The position that preamps are obsolete and do nothing other than creating distortions is commonly shared amongst SINAD fanboys on ASR.

Audiophiles, however, almost universally agree that a high-end pre is an indispensable part of a well-thought out system.

If my limited experience in the matter is worth anything, I drove my monoblock amps with a DAC for several weeks while I was refurbishing my Krell pre. When the pre was returned to service, and the DAC moved behind it where it belongs, the sound quality improvement was very much significant.

I'm in the camp of those who believe that a great pre is a necessity. I also believe that a system's sound signature should be determined by the pre + amps + speakers system core, and that digital sources have no role to play in it. Just be neutral. You know what they say about too many cooks in the kitchen.

 

You don’t necessarily need a preamp, and I don’t wish to be contentious on this subject. However, a DAC with a well-designed gain stage—like the discrete Class A output stage in Harmony Micro DAC—can drive an amplifier beautifully. I used to be in the preamp camp for a while, but after getting a quality DAC like this, I’m switching back to the “no preamp is the best preamp” camp.

Inserting a good preamp in the chain can often sweeten the sound and augment the soundstage, but I also notice a slight loss in dynamics. I have actually mitigated that through the source by adding a DDC and good cabling. I believe the source dominates the quality of the signal chain, rather than the backend. This may contradict your statement, but I am simply sharing my experience.

Obviously the A8 has analog outputs because it's a dac/streamer, the volume control is in digital realm, it does NOT function as a pre.

 

The generalization of pre's as superfluous because it simply adds distortion, reduces dynamics, sweetens sound is absolutely ridiculous. I'm sure there are many here with quality preamps that find them indispensable. 

@lanx0003 

One thing we can agree on, I think, is that whether standalone or integrated to an amp or to a DAC, a preamp or preamp stage is always involved.

Sound quality notwithstanding, I have analog sources I need to switch, and I prefer discrete components performing single functions in my system; and finally, with very few exceptions, the best preamps are separates.

So, while a separate preamp makes the most sense for my own use case, that’s all preferences and there is no right or wrong answer.

Now I am sure some DACs are equipped with decent preamp stages, and I certainly don’t know every one of them, but I am going to have difficulty accepting that the vast majority of them are in the same league as high-end separates.

Finally, at the risk of being labeled a VC snob, I am going to have to respectfully push back against the notion that a digital volume control, even a 32-bit one, is an acceptable choice in any but value-conscious devices. Neither is a $15 Blue Velvet, by the way, despite the fact that those are original equipment in so many almost-high-end preamps selling for $2000 or $3000 or even more smiley