@sounds_real_audio “l am happy with the sound” No need for a sub. “(l)….Have an incredible fleshed out sound” You said it yourself. “So why would l need a subwoofer?” So in this case, there appears to be really no need to waste any more time offering further advice in this discussion. Next question …. |
Speak for yourself, Mr. Stick with your crappy streamer and DAC, and keep convincing yourself that you managed to blend in subs seamlessly. Do you even own a $9,000 Wilson sub? I suggest you stop recommending outdated gears or things you’ve neither owned nor auditioned for a meaningful period of time. |
@ronboco I was thinking the same thing with respect to room size. My system is in a large room with concrete floors. I have the floot space to locate a sub on the outside of each main (full range towers) . It sounds great. But, if my system were in a small room, I don't think I would want subs. My speakers would probably do fine without them. I think subs would be difficult to integrate in a small room. I'm just guessing. |
You just might be surprised at what you're missing, in any case won't know until you've tried. Most are agreed this more than about filling in missing freq. This as much about improved sound staging through the cues offered by those lower freq that are either missing in action altogether or rolled off in main speakers. I'm getting nearly flat freq response down to 33hz in my room at listening position, subs not doing a lot here, but the added low freq cues greatly improved sense of spaciousness, could never go back to no subs.
And yes, I agree it may be hard to provide a coherent presentation when adding subs, I tired for years and absolutely could not achieve the kind of coherence I was seeking. I was and am extremely sensitive to coherence to the point I had to quit three way speakers for two way and single drivers for nearly a decade. Going back to three ways via present Khorns, took me years of listening and mods to bring these up to my requirements. Adding a pair of REL's really completed the picture, with careful setup I've been able to achieve wonderful coherence.
By the way there is nothing 'artificial' in adding subs. Subs are simply reproducing freq info contained on recordings, attaining flatter freq response and hearing those cues which improve sound staging is simply exposing what's contained within any particular recording. |
I listen to a lot of old jazz, a lot of it on records recorded and made 50 or 60 years ago. Mono, early stereo as well as re-issues. My main speakers go low enough I reasoned. Besides, a lot of those records had to have the lows cut off so the crappy arms of the day wouldn’t jump right out of the record grooves. I figured I didn’t need subs. Paul McGowan kept harping about them, though, and my dealer agreed so finally I sprung for a pair of REL 212/SX. Keep in mind now there is no information on most of the old records I like to listen to. The RELs are set up so you would never know they were on...until you turn them off. All of a sudden the room collapses. It is like stepping from a big open space into a closet. Of course I had to try listening to things with some real bass too. And lo and behold the rafters do shake when the spiffy material is on the turntable. But that is not the point at all. It is all about opening up the space. One other thing I have to comment on without wanting to pick a fight with anyone. I was in the high end hifi business for almost a decade while I was in college and part time for a few years after graduation. I have attended a lot of hifi shows. Personally, I have never heard a good sounding anything at any show ever. |
