How do I know if I need a sub woofer?


My system at the moment is not important as this question would be relevant regardless of of what I am listing to at the moment. 

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And yes, I agree it may be hard to provide a coherent presentation when adding subs, I tired for years and absolutely could not achieve the kind of coherence I was seeking. I was and am extremely sensitive to coherence to the point I had to quit three way speakers for two way and single drivers for nearly a decade. Going back to three ways via present Khorns, took me years of listening and mods to bring these up to my requirements. Adding a pair of REL's really completed the picture,  with careful setup I've been able to achieve wonderful coherence. 

Congratulations! I admire your persistence. I’m guessing you added a pair of T/5s (33 Hz)? I tried to make a single T/5x work in both my larger living room and a moderately sized master bedroom. Yes, the experience was better than with SVS subs in terms of coherence, pace, and texture. The sense of spatial cues was impressive, and I even told a colleague I wouldn’t go back to the pre-subwoofer era.

Nevertheless, when the pace of the music picked up, the sub couldn’t quite keep up with the beat. My Buchardt S400 MkII, in a moderate space, delivered more articulate bass notes down to 35 Hz (-3 dB) effortlessly, even more so than with the subs. The Linton’s bass notes were even more nimble and agile. Of course, the definition of ‘coherence’ is subjective and varies from person to person. I enjoyed the augmented soundstage, but the trade-off in pace / texture held me back.

At this point, with an enhanced soundstage from upgrading my digital front end—including streamer, DAC, and cabling—I honestly don’t miss the subwoofers. I feel I’ve already achieved what they offered. The extra reverberation and lingering decay from subs no longer appeal to me; I now prefer a similar soundstage with pinpoint instrument separation and clearly defined imaging.

Well, to sub or not to sub—that’s the question with no definite answer. I can see why many people prefer having one(s), but I also understand others, myself included, who feel no real need for it.  The last thing you should do in this civilized community is castigate people for having legitimate differences of opinion.  You probably know who I am talking about.

 

The other question would be, should I get sub(s) or use that money to get better speakers...

Understood.  Empirical evidence has suggested dual works better than one in terms of better elimination of nulls caused by room mode but it does not resolve the pace issue.

buy this, enjoy it? DONE! Sleep well.

https://store.christianmcbride.com/products/christian-mcbride-edgar-meyer-but-who-s-gonna-play-the-melody?srsltid=AfmBOoplzVr4lJta9Vyk8pj2s6H5GbaJdzpJFFdCzAH_byXcoVAySgeo

Edgar usually plays Cello, but it’s two Upright Bass this time (and they both play a little piano).

This, similar is almost 50 years older

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Bass_(album)

 

My friend has a situation where he often wonders if he needs a sub, especially after listening here, but I usually conclude after listening at his place that he really has enough in his listening space. 

I brought this LP to his place, we thoroughly enjoyed it, I’m sure he slept better that night.

Sometimes, just because you can doesn’t mean you should, it’s a blessing to be happy with what you have.

i.e. Spikes below speakers. I didn’t think I gained, and in fact lost the ability for alternate toe-in, I gave my spikes to the same friend many years ago, he still uses them, I wish we could alter the toe-in for two listeners like I do when he or others listen here.

https://www.audiogon.com/systems/11516