What is the best compressed iTunes format?


First, let me state that I fully understand that an uncompressed format is far superior to a compressed on such as MP3. My current iPod is a 4GB unit, but I just had the battery replaced on my wife's old 30GB unit and plan to transfer my music that direction.

I generally use it for listening at work on Sennheiser earbud headphones that retailed for about $80 new so we're not talking HiFi. My only iPod connection currently, or planned, to my main stereo is via an Onkyo dock so I'm not getting the benefit of an external DAC so again we're not talking HiFi.

Knowing that I have somewhat limited space, what would you recommend for me to choose as the format for iTunes. I've never done anything beyond one of the lower compression MP3 options, is there something better?

Please provide a suggestion and why.

Thanks
mceljo
I just ripped my whole collection at 320kbps VBR. Sound quality is very close to lossless, and file size is a little under half of what lossless typically works out to.

Maybe I should have done lossless but I am using a 64GB iPod touch for a source and it would not have been able to hold everything.

The downsampling option with syncing is useful but it would have been so much better if it didn't limit you to 128 kbps. I imagine if they ever come out with a new version of Itunes that allows this then I may wind up ripping my CDs one last time.

I do use the downsampling when syncing my iPhone. 128K is good enough for lower end earbuds and noisy environments, IMHO. Keep in mind that the downsampling sync takes FOREVER. It is definitely an overnight type of thing.
Once advantage to ripping in Apple Lossless and using the auto downsampling to 128 AAC is that if iTunes is updated in the future to allow other downsampling options I'll be set and ready to go at the click of a button and a few hours of waiting.
Doesn't ALAC cut file size by about 30%->35%? Cutting by half while 'suffering' the loss of quality of even the best bet in MP3 using VBR and 320KbS base rate?
I'm not sure the marginal saving of disk space is worthwhile....at least not for me.
I'm well served by double copies, and ALAC for the house and MP3-160 for the car / pod.

Storage these days is CHEAP. Having a PAIR of backups may not be a bad idea and a terrabyte is a massive amount of music. I don't know current state-of-art, but RAID systems....RAID5, for example, are reasonably safe and redundant though at a COST! $$$$ I would only backup ALAC or other bit accurate copies, NOT any MP-3 which can be easily redone.

The OTHER advantage of MP3-160 is that most (all since say.....'06 or so) car CD players handle this format just fine, thank you, so you can leave the 'pod in out of the loop when driving.
Here's an interesting happening. I have my 30GB iPod at work loaded with the down converted 128 AAC format and last night I loaded my old 8 GB iPod with the Apple Lossless that is actually on my computer. I brought both iPods to work today and handed them to a coworker that's in to music (about the only guy I know that's into vinyl) and asked him what he thought. Ironically, he strongly preferred the sound of the iPod with 128 AAC and described the sound a being more full. I had to laugh. I can't say that I can really tell a difference.

Are all iPods created equal? I believe they are of similar vintage, but one is a standard one and the other is a nano (I believe). The standard iPod was the preferred sound.

I put the iPod with Apple Lossless on my Onkyo dock last night and it was the first time that an iPod was an acceptable source for at least background listening. It wasn't nearly as good as the CD or SACD players, but but improved over the MP3s on my wife's iPod.
All iPod's are not created equal. They use different DACs in different ones. The 5G, 30GB iPod video uses a Wofson DAC. The current models use a proprietary DAC that Apple developed themselves, I think. Its not Wolfson, I know that. There are also differences in power and cicuit design.
I have not done a test like this, but let me ask a few ?s:
Was your vinyl guy listening to the same song on both iPods?
Does this person have an iPod himself, is he used to having earbuds in?
The difference I hear between lossless and compressed iPod files is in the extreme frequencies - there is more detail in the low/high end with lossless files. Its something I had to listen for, and its more noticeable on some tracks than others. For example, the re-mix that Jimmy Page did on the entire Led Zepplin back catalog did not reveal more dynamic range in the recordings; this is not music I would recommend for a test like this. Tool is good. Electronica or IDM is good. Classical would work.
I have never A/B'd lossless vs. compressed in a blind test, then tried to ID the lossless rip. I will try to do this soon. I might surprise myself, and re-rip my entire library into 128 .mp3.
Eh...Probably not!
Also consider that Apple Lossless is not really lossless - it is a variable compression at a very high average bitrate, using a very efficient codec (MPEG4 I think). AIFF, WAV and FLAC are true lossless formats. Not sure if this would have made a difference in your test, but that was great to read about.