Teres vs VPI, SME, Origin Live, etc.


I have Manley Steelhead Phono Pre VII and Berning ZH-270 Amp, and I ordered a pair of Merlin VSM-MX. The next step is to upgrade my Table and Arm. I am thinking about the Teres 265(320) with Shroder Model2 Arm or Origin Live Illustrious Arm, or VPI HR-X, or SME 20 with SME 5 Arm, or Origin Live table and arm. The budget is around $7000 (used or new).
For VPI HR-X, SME 20, and Origin Live, I can find some profesional reviews. For Teres, I did not find any profesional reviews, but some user reviews. And there are few A/B comparision reviews on Teres.
It will be greatly appreciated if anybody who A/B compared the above tables to give the information.
Any suggestion is welcomed.
Hanjiang
hzhu1920
Have any of you Teres owners done a/b comparisons with Galibier or Redpoint? I'm curious as to what your impressions may have been. I think it's intersting that they evolved out of a common approach and ended in significantly different material choices, but yet retain what appears to me as much of the same philosophy. All the talk of Aluminum vs. wood vs. Brass or combinations thereof just has me interested in what sonic differences I might expect when hearing a few specific tables. There seem to be many fans of each approach and please don't think I want a definitive kind of answer on which is better, but this thread just got me thinking it might be interesting to hear what people have to say about it.

Matt
In most turntables like Teres, Redpoint, Galibier, the materials chosen are the preferences of the designers/owners of the company. These choices are typically made by comparative listening to the TT, using the different things, and choosing what they like the sound of. All these TTs are good, and will vary a bit in sound, due to the variations that each company uses. They have all emerged from one starting point, The Teres Project, so they all have similar roots, and probably have some sonic similarities left, even after materials/design changes.

Regarding the materials chosen and the effects on the sound, it is difficult to determine exactly how a given material will sound, unless you also consider it in conjunction with the rest of the overall design. While I like brass as a material, it is not sufficient to just apply brass "willy nilly" at any location on the TT and expect better results. There must be a reason to use a material in the application and position for it to work out right.

For example, brass, when used in the proper formulation and shapes, can have excellent energy transfer properties. But, you have to have some place for the energy to come from, and someplace for the energy to go, for an energy transfer media to be of use. So, the TT must be engineered with these vibration transfer pathways in mind, or else the material will not function as desired. In the case of hardwood, this material is very good at dispersing energy thoughout its diversely-grained internal structure, and will also tend to transfer some of that energy along the longitudinal grain pattern. This application needs to be carefully considered when using wood in a TT.

Plastics work in a variety of ways, depending upon their formulations.

So, it's necessary to know what your materials can do, and how to apply them to the best effect in the application. There is no way to just say that "brass is better", or "wood is better", unless you can understand how it is being used for its purpose. In some cases, brass may be much worse than another material, if it is not used correctly. Generally, a knowledgeable person can tell by just looking at the way the pieces of a product are constructed and assembled, as to which materials would be productive in the application. In many cases, the product could benefit(or get worse) by changing the shapes and assembly techniques of certain parts, when they use a different material.

It depends on what the designer is trying to achieve with his design. The better he knows what he's doing, the better the result will be. He will use the proper materials and the proper geometries, and the proper assembly methods for his design to be correctly realized.
I didn't really mean to sound like I was coming down so hard on the Final Tool turntable design. I'm sure it is a good sounding turntable.

I simply was trying to point out some reasons of why I like one design over another.

I would jump at the chance to audition one, and I'm sure I would enjoy it. It does have some things that I like in a turntable design.
There was discussion here last year to hold a Teres/Galibier/Redpoint "shootout" at RMAF. That didn't pan out AFAIK, so I'm not sure a direct comparison (same room, same sytem, etc.) has ever been made.
These tables ALL look so damn good.I just saw a picture of the TERES in FULL BLOWN ROSEWOOD.MAN O MAN --OUT THE WINDOW goes my philosophy of having to have "HANDS ON" with a product this GORGEOUS.I know NOTHING,but could NEVER resist the urge to put this design on a really short list,if I were in the market.I have,also,heard consistently great things about the TERES stuff for a couple of years now,so I have to assume that there are alot of smarter folks than me,out there!!