Art Audio Vinyl one vs Sutherland PhD

Audoifiel
I never said the 2 units were the same, but the circuit design is basically common to both, though the tube compliment is not. For price, you have to compare the K&K with the vinyl 1, which I have, though not side by side. In my view, though the Vinyl 1 is a very good unit, the K&K is streets ahead.

David,
Your words were "near match" and those were the words I used. I never said "the same". Is that not correct?

In your original post you compared the K&K to the Vinyl Reference. I articulated some of the many differences.

Now based on price you are comparing the K&K to the Vinyl 1.

What precisely is your point?

Are you being deliberately obtuse, I did'nt say the Vinyl reference was the same as the K&K, nor did you. The only point of difference is the degree of difference, I think it is small, you clearly don't. I repeat the circuits are near matches though the tube compliment is different, I presume you have had the lid off both.

In no way am I comparing the K&K with the vinyl 1, the point I was trying to make is that you get a comparable performance to the Vinyl reference for the price of a Vinyl 1 and that is what my post said, I think fairly clearly.

I have the PHD and can only say that it beat the pants off of a Sonic Frontiers that I once owned and as far as pre-amps with built in phono stages it also beats the Audible Illusions and Atmasphere pre amps that I have owned.How it compares to the Art Audio I can not say, but they build very good gear,my friend has the Clarissa power amp.

David12, to be fair to audiofeil, I believe he is taking issue with your assuming that the differences between the Vinyl Reference and the K & K must be small when you haven't even compared them. Without having heard either of them, I agree with audiofeil. Having performed many parts upgrades I can personally vouch for the major transformations that generally result, usually completely changing the sonic signature as well as the overall quality. The kind of shooting from the hip judgment you're passing off as fact clouds the issue. A simple rewording with liberal use of words like "might" would be better appreciated.

(breathe)