Stand out phono stages


This topic has been started before by others and myself as well, maybe too many times, but it is worth revisiting since the source is so very important!
So far I have had the pleasure to enjoy two worthy phono stages: the EAR 834p and the JLTI.
I have to admit they are spectacular. Obviously the record and all the equipment downstream play a role in the sound heard. In some cases I prefer the JLTI and in other cases the EAR. But neither out do the other dramatically.
What phono preamps outshine others by a big margin, those that can be considered the last phono preamp ever needed.
pedrillo
Gents, take my thoughts on the AMR with a grain of salt, as it still sounded good. I heard it in the store with unfamilar equipment(horns), however unfortunately you cannot hear everything at home.

I did compare the AMR directly with the Air tight phono and Leben phono. the Air tight was more natural and 3d sounding. The AMR for such an expensive tube unit, was a little more mechanical in the upper frequencies vs the Air Tight
The AMR does have infinite flexibilty, so it should be able to be tweaked to sound better. However, I was really interested in the AMR and it just did not do it for me to investigate further.

Clearly if one can listen to the AMR at home, that is better.

The ARC ref2 OTOH was really good and sounded "musically right". Only thing lacking for me was a slight tonal weight in the bass - however the unit I listened to at home only had 150-200 hours on it. supposed to get more weight at 300-400 hours.

cheers
I have heard the AMR a number of times and it would seem to me Downunder's story is a perfect illustration of dealers (or indeed representatives at shows) not always taking the necessary care to show the gear at its best. In fairness to dealers, it is of course not really possible to build perfect systems around every single component they have in their product range. Especially the observation that the PH-77 was "more mechanical", is a smoking gun, though (no AMR gear sounds mechanical or at least it shouldn't).
The first time, I heard the PH-77 was in a system with a Montegiro Legno table (don't recall the cart), AM-77 amp, Marten Coltrane Momento and Jorma cable loom and it sounded, well, "merely" very good. The most recent session was a system with Dr. Feickert Woodpecker with Lyra cart, AMR-77, Kiso HB1 monitors and selected cabling built by ... Thomas Fast, and that is precisely where the difference lies! Thomas is one of those people that will go any length to ensure the gear he presents can go to the "beauty contest". Matter of fact, Downunder's description of the ARC's virtues will then fit perfectly to the AMR.
Moral of the story: our own system will be decisive in the end.

Btw: in a much more affordable price bracket (EUR 2k), I hope to hear the B.M.C. Phono MCCI soon, supposed to be a dramatic overachiever. Anyone heard it yet?

Lewm,
The Klyne was excellent back then but now has easily surpassed by the much cheaper Einstein. The ASR has a barely acceptable above the average performance, equal of the best of the TEADs also they doesn't worth the asking price.
The Krell KPE+PSU is simply unlistenable.
Most of the tube units that I've heard have some problems with detail perhaps the printed circuit boards gives some parasitic capacitance so, I would suggest a point to point wiring inside. Keep in mind that tube rolling is a must for tuning about body & weight so, maybe to focus for max detail in the stock tubed units.
Vintage PS Audio PSIII

i have one and it's pretty fantastic. from about 1979 or so. actually never had any of the more modern or expensive Phono Pre's...
if they are half as good as this i'd be surprised. i watch for these and there have been several on eBay lately. i actually lost (or partially lost) an auction for one along with the matching Linear Control Center Pre Amp last year...