MoFi enzyme based cleaner and pure rinse

Chashmal,
Do Mobile Fidelity offer any kind of refund if not totally satisfied with their record cleaning products?

While I'm asking this question, are you aware of any other brand's on the market that offer a full money back guaranty if not totally satisfied with the result's of their record cleaning solution's?

Last year while at a audio store ,out of pure curisosity I bought and tried out Walker Audio's Prelude deluxe record cleaning kit.
I was made fully aware if I didn't care for it, return it with in 30 day's for a full refund.

My thoughts were, here's a record cleaning method put out by Lloyd Walker, the man behind the Proscenium table.
Hmm?
On top of it Lloyd offers a full refund if not satisfied.

If Walker's cleaning method equaled or slightly edged out what I was using at the time which was Disc Doctor, I would of certainly returned the prelude kit for that price.

However, as it turned out Lloyd Walker's method of cleaning and recipe of solutions are very effective with astonishing result's.

I have absolutely nothing to gain promoting this product, all that I know is that it work's.

I would suggest going to Walker's web site and read what he has to say about his record cleaning method.

Many of the folks here, I myself included, and as well, as folks on other forums, we have perhaps tried this, or that, or maybe a few different cleaning products, rinsing products, and/or different techniques as well.

It would probably be a rare instance indeed, where a number of member can come forward, and say they have tried every single product on the market, past, and present, to make fair, and accurate analysis/judgement of what products superceed/best others. And what others fall short, and how they fall short.

And I would probably be 100% correct that even in this hypothetical scenario, that there was a sufficient number of prople who have, how many then have used accurate methods "laboratory methods of such testing?
Answer most likely is zero.

Basically all of us end users have to go by, is what our ears, and eyes tell us. Although the human eye, and ear can reveal a lot, none of most likely have electron microscopes in our arsenal, or any other type of lab measuring equipment.

We go by what others say, go by what manufacturers tell us, or profess thier products do, and I'm not going to profess to snake oil products, because none of the very well known products available on the market (Mo Fi, VPI L'Art Du Son, Nitty Gritty, LAST, Disc Doctor, AIVS, Walker, Premier, Phoenix, and others) can be called "snake oil".

It might more actually come down to a "lure", and who might possibly have the best BS story-advertisment yarn to tell? Sort of like Car Manufacturers with thier slogans, and little jingles, thus trying to suck you into a purchase.

Part of the problem I see with many of the cleaners available, is the end user has absolutely no idea what they contain, the purity of thier contents, the actual effectiveness, and safe vinyl use they purport.

Of course we certainly cannot expect companies to give away proprietary formulas. But still, it would be nice at least knowing the basic contents.

I guess the bottom line is, always has, and always perhaps will be, is to use what you like, and what you like paying for. What works for Joe, Jim, and Mike, might not be best suited for somebody else.

This also holds true with any rinsing agents- purified waters.
Without provided Lab Analysis of gases, solids, methods of purification, we are only again "guessing" that Reagent Grade is as good as this, or Mo-Fi Pure is better than that, etc.

I of course like the products I currently use, which is AIVS, but no matter what brands I use, I myself cannot accurately, or truthfully make claims that such a product is better, or worse than another which I have not tried. Mark

Markd51, it seems to me that being the case that you would indeed go with the cheapest.

For the record (no pun) I tried MoFi enzyme on quite a few LPs since I bought it, and I must say, so far, I am not impressed at all. I might even prefer the cheap VPI fluid I got with my machine.

Having said that, maybe the 'detergent based' stuff has its merits, at least for the kind of grime I encounter buying used LPs. I think I will do a survey of what's out there, specifically Walker and AIVS.

I hope this thread is engaging enough to go on for a while, because I will check back in with results. For now, I am going to use everything I have.

It is interesting to note that NO ONE makes a fluid I can be totally satisfied with. Who would have thought it, all that money and still I am 'driving the dirt road'.

...except for the ones I have not tried of course...