Subsonic Rumble Solutions


I know many of you have tried to address this issue. Short of buying or building a subsonic filter (that will/may negatively affect your transparency) - what methods reduce subsonics (meaning the pumping of woofers and subs when a record is playing)?

My system:
I have a DIY VPI Aries clone with a 1" thick Corian plinth, a Moerch DP6 tonearm and Dynavector 20X-H cartridge. This sits on a maple shelf. The shelf sits on squash balls. The balls sit on another maple board floating in a 3" deep sand box. All this on a rack spiked to a cement floor. The phono stage is a Hagerman Trumpet (no built in subsonic filter and very wide bandwidth). I use the 1 piece Delrin clamp on the TT. Yes, I clean records thoroughly and there are no obvious warps, especially after being clamped.

So my isolation is very good - no thumps or thwacks on the rack coming through the speakers. But if I turn the sub on I get that extra low end pumping on some records that hurts my ears. Mostly I leave the sub off when playing vinyl, but I would like to use it if possible.

There was some brief discussion of this on Albert Porter's system thread. I'm hoping to get more answers here.

So ... what methods have you tried to reduce subsonics that you have found effective?

Thanks,
Bob
ptmconsulting
And why, in God's name, would one ever run a beautiful analogue signal from a turntable through anything digital, unless they were forced to upon pain of being drawn and quartered? :-)

I think I'll open a bottle of wine tonight and listen to something nice on the old-TT.

Enjoy,
Bob
Ptmconsulting,

Not me, but I just thought it ironic that technically the most practical way to clean up a messy analog signal off a turntable were one so inclined might be to convert it to digital first before doing the processing.

The horror! The horror!

Still, DCS and other companies do some truly magical things in the digital domain!

Cheers!
Ptmconsulting... Your "beautiful analogue signal" has probably been generated out of a digital mixing consile :-(
Hi Bob, you could try these;

http://store.hlabs.com/pk4/store.pl?section=12

They are only $30 and would give you an idea of what would happen if you implemented a subsonic filter. I dont know the quality of the units or how they would sound. But it would give you a feel for a subsonic filter and an indication of what one would do for your system.

Please feel free to experiment with you tt/arm/cartridge and let me know if you come up with something that you think I should try.

Bob.
Hey, those little RCA "Sub Sonic Filter pairs" looks cool, and may well be worth trying out for only $29.

There are 2 values: 20Hz and 30Hz. Both have a 12db slope to them - not very steep. So if I was looking for 3db down at 17Hz then the best choice would be the 30hZ ones, right? I mean, down that low on the scale a 12db per octave slope goes very slowly down.

I found a chart with note values on it, but it only goes to 27hZ: http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/notes.html

Bob