Linn LP-12 still competitive with the very best?

Aguadiem, don't do Circus, until you are prepared to have the sound character of the LP12 vitally changed. I second Normansizemore's opinion, that a cheap used LP12 bought from the usual s/h marketplaces is quite OK, but don't touch it, or you get a result you don't like, and the price/performance ratio changes to the worse. I think 1000 USD could buy you a good condition 80ies LP12 with tonearm.

I owned several LP12 over a twenty yr. period, and finally decided against them. If you are interested in a really negative view about the LP12, have a look at my write up here: http://www.tnt-audio.com/sorgenti/linn_lp12_e.html

best regards, Hartmut

"that a cheap used LP12 bought from the usual s/h marketplaces is quite OK"

I'd go even further and say a used Axis is quite OK also. Use a good matching cartridge though. Denon DL103R on teh Linn Basik tonearm with a good phono pre-amp (and step-up device if needed, see my system for example) sounds as good as anything I have heard recently to me.

I would rather spend my time listening to music than re-configuring turntables, so if I had to replace my Axis, I would do it with something similar that I can live with without regret without having to perform major surgery on it.

I am at an age that I regulary must ask: What is the
question?
I assume that the most members are much younger but I
suggest that thy should also ask this question.
The question as stated presupposes some acquaitance or
expirienece with both: Linn-LP12 and other,'newer', hi-
tech turntables. If one dont fulfifils both 'conditions'
how is then an answer possible?
I am perplexed to read about: (sport) car comparitions,
love and hate declarations,the questions about my lenght,
the question if I own the 'lexicon of the English
language,etc.etc.
So what we are talking about?
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Personally, I could never get past the looks of the Linn. It just isn't sexy looking to me. To hear that they are in the $10k range now is amazing to me. I could never bring myself to spend that on a Linn. I'm all about sound but looks count too in that price range.
My audiophile buddies and I had Sotas and VPI. In the mid-90's we definately liked the sound of our Sotas better than the Linn. But others loyally defended their Linns'. They always talk about how their Linn has so much better rythm and pace than the Sota. I have never heard that difference and to this day do not understand that comment. If the table wow and flutter is below measurable limits- how does it sound different?
I still prefer the suspended table (Sota) sound over the fixed mass (VPI) myself. My VPI buddy like his TT but would admit the Sota sounded good to him too.
It comes down to what each of us likes and how willing we are to part with our hard earned cash for something intangible to normal, everyday people.

The difference between suspended and non-suspended seems to me like it would be a huge point of difference, but I don't hear people talking about it that much. Do most of you clearly favor one approach over the other?