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More convinced of analog than ever

Wednesday night I went to my local high end shop's "Music Matters" open house, which featured six meticulously set up listening rooms highlighting the best and brightest offerings from Wilson, Transparent, Audio Research, Ayre, Magnepan, Peachtree, B&W, Classe, Rotel, etc., with factory reps to introduce their products and innovations.

There were unmistakable improvements in reproduction of redbook CD, with jitter reduced to near zero, and holographic reproduction of images, soundstages, and the minute signals that indicate instrument resonance and hall ambience.

And yet... and yet... when the demos shifted from redbook to the new downloadable hi-rez digital formats in 24/88.2 and 24/96, there was an unmistakable jump in resolution around the edges of the notes, of sounds swelling, resonating, and decaying, of greater verisimilitude.

But compared to the turntable demos, I'd say the 24-bit digital got me about 80% there, whereas LP playback closed the gap completely. Once the LPs started spinning, there was a collective relaxed "aaaahhh" that went through the audience. It wasn't because of dynamic compression. Far from it, the Ayre prototype turntable was strikingly dynamic with a subterranean noise floor.

The sense of ease and relaxation I attribute to a sudden drop in listener fatigue. The LP-source music had so much more of what makes music musical. We didn't have to work nearly as hard to rectify the ear-brain connection as with even the best of 24-bit digital, which was still significantly better than redbook. The redbook playback always reminded me that I was listening to "hi-fi," even when played through multi-thousand dollar players from ARC and Ayre.

Even my local Brit-oriented Rega/Naim dealer asserts that the latest CD players rival or exceed LP playback.

I say nay.

What say you?
johnnyb53
stevecham
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Yesterday we had our annual record LP sales extravaganza here in Eugene, OR and there were a couple hundred people at any given time going for the vinyl in a single Hilton ballroom sized room. People of all ages.

Paid $1 to $15 for some real finds. There were far more people hunting thre vinyl bins than the CDs.

Vinyl will survive, it's now way past the original naysayers bedtime.
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audiotomb
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nice thread

I have a substantial vinyl front end and a modest but good digital front end. There is too much good music exclusive to each not to have both playback systems.

When I want to really feel the emotion and passion - the analog version and effort getting there is well worth it.

many kids are hip on vinyl, even spinning it on mediocre turntables because they like the sound more

I recall playing lps once and taping them to a Nakamichi in the 80's. The tapes sounded real nice. All my pristine vinyl is now played on a setup with minimal stress on the vinyl

when digital conversion / hard drive systems get affordable I'd be all in for recording my vinyl drops
getting them to high res ipods or a hard drive presentation and possibly taking a few hours off my cartridge. It also would allow me to pass on some of the vinyl that I'm not as attached to

a little too expensive and still under major refining on the digital storage end to get in now. it is evolving and lets hope they don't cut too many corners and still make it affordable for the audiophile

in the mean time I'll happily spin vinyl and people can laugh at me for being antiquated. the nuance and emotion of vinyl is there for the taking
applebook
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I do not understand why audiophiles would want to "needledrop" their vinyl. Even the studio CD versions of some great master tape recordings are inferior to vinyl, so when you make your own conversion (with consumer-level ADCs) from vinyl to digital, you cannot possibly expect it to be good enough compared to vinyl --unless you have low standards.

A good engineer in a million-dollar studio, with million-dollar ADC and DAC set-ups, cannot match vinyl playback when he converts master tape recordings to CD. An average person "needledropping" vinyl onto digital is just amazingly low-fi.

The CD versions of most recordings should be far superior to "needledropping." After all, the CD versions at least come from the master tapes or second generation digital (or) analogue sources, being fed by the best ADC and DAC gear available.
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audiotomb
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applebook

I'm assuming digital recording / playback makes a huge jump
and give you the flexibility to have something greater than a docked ipod
sns
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I agree with Applebook, when you record your vinyl to digital you are getting digital sound. I happen to like digital sound, as well as vinyl, and so I can be happy listening to both. I would never think of giving up my vinyl, the reason I've kept my 2500 lps from the 70's. I also can't fathom giving up my 7000 cd's, way too much good music. Seems I'm more a music lover than audiophile? Can't digital, analog and music loving all come together, kind of like the unified theory in physics, everything can come together in wonderful perfection!
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