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The 'tube-transistor' enigma by MC carts?

By accident I got to know an guy from Swizerland who has
worked for years as technician (R&D,testing,manuf.etc) by
Benz. I made some joke about 'Zelle',the expresion he used
to refer to carts,by asking if the carts are made by
prisoners? ('zelle' is 'the box' in the prison) He appreciated my joke and explaned to me in 2 sentences
something I never thought about. There are 2 kinds of
'bobins': iron and the other kind. The 'classical example'
of 'iron' is the Ortofon SPU. The advantage: stronger signal and some kind of 'pleasing warm sound.the disadvantage:(more)distortion.
The 'ruby-cross' bobin has (much?) less distortion but can
sound 'thin' depending on the rest of 'the chain'.
This is obviously the so-called 'Holistic' approach ;
aka Rauls 'it depends...'. Me? Because I can't cope with
more then 2 variables at the same time I am for 'simplicity' approch. The best 'definition' of this
approch is from O.Wilde:'I have the simplest tastes. I am
alwys satisfid with the best'. So I am still seaching.
Raul will you please bring (more) light to this issue?


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128x128nandric
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atmasphere
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Nandric, I understand that the Transfiguration Orpheus uses a different MC mechanism than the two described above.
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Atmashere. The 'bobin' is the 'thing' one must put the 'coils' on (copper wire,silver,gold,platinium).I am not an technical guy but I think that even your Orpheus,despite the Greek mytolology can't do without.

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casey33
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If you look at allnicaudio.com in the products section under mc cartridge,they have an explanation of bobbin,coil etc.Naturally they say their shape (mimics the cutter head,non magnetic) is of course the best.At any rate you don't need to be a technical guy to understand this well laid out informative explanation.I have not heard their cartridge,but am thankful for their informative presentation.
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Nandric, my understanding is that the bobbin in the Orpheus is round, like the bobbin in a voice coil of a speaker. It is not cross-shaped like the Micro Benz use.
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Atmasphere.My conjecture was 'iron bobbin' =the analogy
with 'tube-amps' because of the distortions with 'pleasing
sound'.Those are 'harmonic distortions' but I am not sure
of which 'order'. The other kind of bobbins are more
'neutral sounding' because of 'lesser distortions'. Aka
the analogy with 'transistors amps'.Look at the mesurements
of distortions by both kind of amps.If I am well informed the peculiarity of Orpheus is not the 'bobbin'
but the magnets: two 'circular magnets';one in front the
other behind the bobbin.So my quess is that you confused
'bobbin'- with 'magnet kind'. But the issue is 'tube-versus
transistor' enigma by MC carts.My quess is that the persons with preference for 'neutral sound' will not choose 'iron bobbin' MC carts. I am informed by my Zwitserland connection that Benz also manuf. 'iron-bobbin' carts:the MC-2.BTW I made the distinction 'iron'
versus 'other kind of bobbins' (i.e. not iron).So if your
Orpheus is 'round','right angled' or 'cross-shaped' is not
relevant; it is included by the 'other kind'.
I understand the fixation for the object of 'our desire'
but the issue is about something else.

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