Good turntable needed, need recomendations.

Raul is right. I got back into vinyl about five years ago, and it has taken me that long to get the full measure of what my modest analog front end can do. But, even though modest, it sounds stunning. Unless you do have ready access to someone very well qualified to set things up for you, you may be in for some very frustrating days (they can run into years). To learn as you go takes much of your time, so know that going in, unless you are satisfied with having to rely on a dealer, or someone else for help whenever you need it.

Important also, is the aspect of satisfaction in knowing that you have accomplished a very fine listening system, through you own hands-on efforts. If that kind of reward appeals to you, I urge you to take the hands-on approach if you are able, along with some knowledgeable folks, such as there are on this forum. Best of luck to you, and keep us informed as to your progress, if you would, I'll be cheering you on.

Regards,
Dan

I aggree Dan, I alwas have but I need a starting point. that I won't outgrow in a year. On the bright side all the vinal I have herd has been stunning compaired to my cd player.

Dear programmergeek: +++++ " and just like to listen to music and all the vinal I here in other systems is so much better than my cd player. " +++++

+++++ " On the bright side all the vinal I have herd has been stunning compaired to my cd player. " ++++

you posted twice on the same subject and this " worry " me about your overall audio system quality performance level.

I don't know if you still have the Cary CDP but even if you have in a good quality performance system the differences between digital and analog are there but IMHO are not so big as I assume you are hearing or heard it.

Digital source is a lot more demanding medium of what is surrounded as an audio items ( audio system. ).

A digital source has a lot lower noise/distortions/colorations/frequency deviations/etc than an analog one.
That higher accuracy level with digital makes that any other " imperfections " through the different links in the audio chain system will comes " alive " where through analog are " hidded " through the it self analog higher imperfections.

IMHO when through digital an audio system gives you " satisfaction " then through the same system the analog alternative gives you " satisfaction " too but its differences are really smallest that we can think and IMHO and especially with DVDA/SACD I think the digital medium outperforms ( overall ) the analog experience ( LPs. ). Yes, there are several very bad CDs recordings but the same is true with LPs.

The advancements in the digital technology IMHO already goes at a level that can compete ( in the right audio system. ) with the analog alternative but this depend not only that your digital source/pklayer be of a latest technology but that your audio system be up to the task.

My today experiences are that if today we are not satisfied with what we are hearing through digital then could be not because the digital medium but we could think why our audio system is not showing what the digital can shows on quality level performance.

IMHO digital today is a lot better that we can think but " we don't know that " because what we heard tell us it is not but maybe and I say only " maybe " we could be wrong and the digital is really better that we thinked.

Anyway, I think that for what you posted about maybe it's time to make a system " check-up ", only my thoughts.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Is it just me, or is the above discussion almost impossible to understand due to spelling and grammatical errors. It almost seems as though I am reading something written by persons for whom english is a second or third language, or by the people who prepare chinese ad copy. I suppose there is good information there, but I just cant work my way through it to find out.

Manitunc,

It is just you. You are reading comments from at least one who English is not his native tongue, but has done a pretty damn good job of learning how to explain many technical subjects full of complex jargon. More importantly, he is able it to share a wealth of knowledge with the rest of us.

Your post brings nothing constructive to this conversation, nor any help to the OP. Considering all the interesting contributions I've seen of yours on many topics here, I am surprised by this out-of-character comment.

Programmergeek, it's a shame that unfortunately many local dealers aren't as experienced w/analog these days as they should be. Given your locale, I suggest contacting the NJ Audio Society and attending a few meetings where you might be able to hear some vinyl rigs in members' homes, meet others who've tackled the same issues, and get input into what local dealers really know their analog. There is plenty to be said for a boatload of smart friends! Cheers,

Spencer