Good turntable needed, need recomendations.

Dear programmergeek: +++++ " and just like to listen to music and all the vinal I here in other systems is so much better than my cd player. " +++++

+++++ " On the bright side all the vinal I have herd has been stunning compaired to my cd player. " ++++

you posted twice on the same subject and this " worry " me about your overall audio system quality performance level.

I don't know if you still have the Cary CDP but even if you have in a good quality performance system the differences between digital and analog are there but IMHO are not so big as I assume you are hearing or heard it.

Digital source is a lot more demanding medium of what is surrounded as an audio items ( audio system. ).

A digital source has a lot lower noise/distortions/colorations/frequency deviations/etc than an analog one.
That higher accuracy level with digital makes that any other " imperfections " through the different links in the audio chain system will comes " alive " where through analog are " hidded " through the it self analog higher imperfections.

IMHO when through digital an audio system gives you " satisfaction " then through the same system the analog alternative gives you " satisfaction " too but its differences are really smallest that we can think and IMHO and especially with DVDA/SACD I think the digital medium outperforms ( overall ) the analog experience ( LPs. ). Yes, there are several very bad CDs recordings but the same is true with LPs.

The advancements in the digital technology IMHO already goes at a level that can compete ( in the right audio system. ) with the analog alternative but this depend not only that your digital source/pklayer be of a latest technology but that your audio system be up to the task.

My today experiences are that if today we are not satisfied with what we are hearing through digital then could be not because the digital medium but we could think why our audio system is not showing what the digital can shows on quality level performance.

IMHO digital today is a lot better that we can think but " we don't know that " because what we heard tell us it is not but maybe and I say only " maybe " we could be wrong and the digital is really better that we thinked.

Anyway, I think that for what you posted about maybe it's time to make a system " check-up ", only my thoughts.

Regards and enjoy the music,
Raul.

Is it just me, or is the above discussion almost impossible to understand due to spelling and grammatical errors. It almost seems as though I am reading something written by persons for whom english is a second or third language, or by the people who prepare chinese ad copy. I suppose there is good information there, but I just cant work my way through it to find out.

Manitunc,

It is just you. You are reading comments from at least one who English is not his native tongue, but has done a pretty damn good job of learning how to explain many technical subjects full of complex jargon. More importantly, he is able it to share a wealth of knowledge with the rest of us.

Your post brings nothing constructive to this conversation, nor any help to the OP. Considering all the interesting contributions I've seen of yours on many topics here, I am surprised by this out-of-character comment.

Programmergeek, it's a shame that unfortunately many local dealers aren't as experienced w/analog these days as they should be. Given your locale, I suggest contacting the NJ Audio Society and attending a few meetings where you might be able to hear some vinyl rigs in members' homes, meet others who've tackled the same issues, and get input into what local dealers really know their analog. There is plenty to be said for a boatload of smart friends! Cheers,

Spencer

Hi Programmergeek! Have to agree with Stickman about the TW Akustics turntables. I have a Raven One with an Ortofon 12 inch arm and a Dynavector 20XL cartridge and it makes wonderful music, I like vinyl playback through it better than CD's played on my Wadia 830 cd player. I have 1000 LP's so vinyl isnt a side hobby for me. Jeff Catalano at Highwater Sound in Manhattan is a terrific guy, extremely knowledgeable about vinyl equipment and set up, and has 28,000 LP's! You cant go wrong with him or the TW Akustics line, but you probably can do better than the system I was able to afford by getting a Graham B-44 tonearm and a cartridge higher up in the Dynavector line. Good luck in whatever you end up with.--Mrmitch

Sorry you took my comment as being inappropriate. As you noted, that would be out of character. What I was trying to convey is that I was trying very hard to understand what was being said, and getting very frustrated at my inability to work through it to understand. And I think that I am pretty good at figuring things out.
So you've pointed out to me that it is me, not the format of the posts being made. I guess that means that everyone else doesnt have a problem reading and understanding what is being said. So be it. I would just hope that the reason for the format is what you said, and not just laziness on the part of the poster in formulating complete sentences.