Help me build a fine PC sound system



I’m looking for current suggestions to a great sounding desktop audio outfit which is pc driven or based completely.
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Currently I’m using a Creative labs $50 USB sound card, and an Altec Lansing 2.1 desktop speaker system $200..

It really isn’t bad, and loads of fun. It allows me to play back lots of files & CDs I probably would not play too often on my main stereo.

So… I'm looking for recommendations of USB sound cards and a 2.1 speaker setup. Prefferably with both mechanical and software vol control, which will noticeably improve upon the aforementioned gear..

Noticeably.

What are your picks for:

USB sound card
2.1 speakers
2.0 speakers
Subwoofer

…… that will sound better than my above listed stuff? Actually it’s OK, but playing a setup disc it is easy to perceive how many areas of the bandwidth simply aren’t being honestly reproduced… but that’s about the only way to really highlight it’s shortcomings. Otherwise.. it’s well, fun…. And inexpensive.

Mainly the focus is for PC but if it will work with Macs too, that's great!. If it can integrate into a preamp or receiver or DAC too, that would be very nice, but not an absolutely necessary option.

Remember, the idea is a stand alone very, very nice sounding PC sound system first! It should be capable too of replaying file types from 16/44 to 24/192.

Do try to make the rig as inexpensive as is possible, so some reasonable and thoughtful blend of value to performance should be the real guideline.

I’m thinking too, as full range as is possible and likely a sub needs be in the mix… but nothing nutso.

Over achieving and high value items, front and center!

This might be fun…. Wadaya think?

Many thanks!
blindjim
Jim wrote:
"Why do you force a person to choose which word and sampling rates are to be addressed with your components?

Why not allow for all the content from Red Book to DVD Audio to be processed by your converters clock?"

I dont understand this question. All of my components can do 44.1-192. All clocks are provided for all of these sample-rates. There are clock upgrades that you can purchase.

"Why too, not make a DAC which addresses more than merely USB?"

I dont understand this question either. My Overdrive has USB, S/PDIF coax and I2S inputs.

"due to the high level of clock tech currently on board, adding an aftermarket clock is money poorly spent." Perhaps even if it is an Empirical audio clock, huh?"

You are missing the point. The clock in the Lynx is designed to be synchronized using an external clock. These types of clocks are high-jitter by definition. Trying to CONTROL this clock to reduce jitter using an expensive external clock is futile. Using an external RECLOCKER with the Lynx is an entirely different thing however. In this case, it makes perfect sense to invest in a good low-jitter clock.

"he was able to flip his Emperical Audio device prior to a design change took place, lest he lose out dramatically more."

This was not just a design change, but a technology change. Most manufacturers made this move because it resulted in much higher perfromance. High-techology digital is disruptive, whether its cell-phones, computers or audio. Have you tried to sell an older cell-phone lately? Before you know it, the market for used iPads will dry up.

"That scenario in no small part was designed by your hand. Maybe you sent out emails to all of your previous clientele of this upcoming release .... I've no idea."

No, you don't. I offered an upgrade path for all Off-Ramp 3 owners to go to Off-Ramp 4. Much of the Off-Ramp 3 is used in the Off-Ramp 4. Only the USB module is upgraded. I try to make all of my products modular so they can be upgraded to the latest technologies at lower cost to my customers. Rather than buying a new Off-Ramp 4 at $799.00, the customer could upgrade from 3-4 for $350.00. I feel that this is good service. Show me another company that does this.

"It’ll take in home auditions. First hand trials. Trials of run in kit…"

I already offer this:

http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=96058.0

Like many of your other comments, you are making incorrect assumptions about this. You should do a little reading first to see what the real story is.

"Steve… what is your input here for a great sounding desktop system that won’t break the bank… as the thread requests… ???"

Okay, this I can provide:

Wired for Sound DAC2 - $1500.00
Off-Ramp 4 with Turboclock - $1499.00
total under $3K

The Off-Ramp 4/Turboclock replaces the USB input on the W4S and makes this a world-class DAC. Maybe you can even get the W4S DAC2 on Audiogon used for less.

For $4K you can have an Overdrive DAC with the same USB interface built-in and a world-class volume control. You can and will sell your preamp, and you dont need expensive power cables either. The cost saving on the preamp and power cord is at least $1K. The volume control has been compared to $10K+ preamps.

Steve N.
Empirical Audio
Thanks Steve

Over $3K w/o speakers for a very nice desktop pc audio system well, that suggestion demonstrates the divide between your perspective and my own with regard to terms like decent… very good, excellent, etc., and the costs for same.

Many of my comments were made on my last familiarization and talks with you on what was being offered thru your company. I did go look again, as usual briefly, yesterday?

It appears I’m confused by all the various products, their configurations, their update/upgrade paths, etc., and how to choose from amongst them which suits my preffs or system needs merely by reading their particular notes.

It is always cool and beneficial to the buyer a process or program of keeping up to date is offered. You are not alone in this capacity. Bel Canto does this… BAT has an update/upgrade policy… AR does similar things… and the list goes on I’m sure, though it is not all inclusive. To every maker, brand, or model.

Whether it’s due to manufacturing changes or technology changes. Your own product line echoes the fact no moss is growing on your offerings. Digital audio is stepping very rapidly ahead.

Keeping up is the costly affair. With some makers, it is still more costly to keep up than with others. There will always then too, be the subjective arguments about who sounds better and those debates continue to fuel this hobby.

I wasn’t aware you offer now, in home demos of your equipment. That’s very interesting. I’ll keep that in mind if/when I seek another change somewhere in the digital change.

Thanks for all the input on the desktop sound system. I appreciate it.

Any other pc sound system users out there owning a special configuration that yields a really nice sound?

Please… let me know.

Thanks.
I've just completed my project of installing the ESI Juli@ in my PC and running J River 16 via a 10 meter aopgee spdif cable into Esoteric clock/upsampler into Berkeley dac direct into amps. Very easy to hear the new set up totally trounce the SB Touch. The soundstage is wider and deeper, with more detail and much better resolution. And much more transparent. This is with reqular 44.1/a6 files. The 192/24 bit (and other hi res) sounds absolutely incredible. I will be uninstalling the Touch soon.
Hi Blindjim,
I am attaching a thread from Headfi.org This soundcard/dac had a thread there that ran about 2 years. It is the Musiland Monitor 02US. It is a pain to set up because of all it takes to get it right, but when you get there, I have found it to be an incredible value... If you need a USB DAC, I believe you would have to break $500. to beat this. Its about $130. You will read through all the pains & struggles with drivers and firmware updates, operating systems, cables and the whole gammet, but in the end, after some improvements and 2 years of updates and figuring it out, its a great little soundcard/DAC. It is Asyncronous and will accept inputs from 16/44 all the way through 24/192 through all inputs, spdif, toslink and USB, yes, it does 24/192 USB and shows which format is playing.
Needs a windows computer, really needs to be running Windows 7, needs a good server program, Foobar 2000(free) and JRivers paid versions are both very good. You'll need to set either for wasapi output and you'll need to download the latest drivers. Yes, I've heard better and plan to upgrade, but I've heard alot, Others may have, but I've never heard anything touch this when used as laid out above touch it for its price range.
You will read several on the HeadFi site say this is the best buy they have ever made in audio... it is certainly one of my best also and you will read some comparisons with some very well known DAC's. I hope this helps,
Tim
http://www.head-fi.org/forum/thread/443786/musiland-monitor-02-us
Tim,
Thanks for posting a lead on the Musiland. It's good to see yet another bit of gear that might again disprove the notion by some that major bucks are always needed for good quality computer audio.

Although already owning a couple of great DACs, I'll likely give this one a go on another system.