Graham Phantom vs the Graham 2.2

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I have not heard the Kuzma nor the Air Tangent, so I can not be any help with comparisons.
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I do know that the Schroder is well worth the price (as high as it is). I will make an effort to hear both the Air Tangent and the Kuzma, but it won't stop me from getting a Schroder. It is just that good. You will always be able to sell a Schroder in a heartbeat if some how you would need or want (not really a possibility) to sell it.
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I don't expect you to make a decision to buy based on an Audiogon review, but do find a way to get to hear a Schroder. When I finally get mine, you are welcome to jump a plane out of Newark, La Guardia, or Kennedy and come down to Miami to hear mine. I will be the guy with the permanent smile on my face.
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Rgds,
Larry
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I think, everyone has it's own kind of sight, I compared last year the Schroeder with a Graham 2.0 ( no 2.2 ), in my System, same cartridge etc. ( it was a Takeda Miyabi ).
The main difference was, the Schroeder creates a bigger soundstage ( holographic ), but is not as precise as the Graham and in my opinion the Graham is much better in the higher frequencies, here it simply delivered more info.
The Schroeder Arm is good, very good, no question, but I didn't buy it, the better Detail from the Graham combined with my doubts about it's pricing ( It's an arm with a magnetic bearing and an armwand made of wood, it is a nice idea, but only a bit different compared to a Well Tempered Ref. ) made my decision.
I think, there are only 2 real advantages with the Schroeder:
you can match an armwand to your cartridge (weight )
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you can have a longer one ( 10.5 , 12.5 etc.+ matched for your cartridge ).

The higher frequencies have nothing to do with distortion, we used a Klyne 7 Phono with it's special calibratings.

Now, I compared a Graham 2.0 to the 2.2 and I was impressed, that bearing cup is a real improvement.

Anyway, I bought a Tri-Planar VII as a 2. arm for me.

another short story:
a friend of mine, who knows my system well, went to someone who has 2 (!) Schroeder Reference ( 2 different cartridges ) and some rare ( = exclusive ? ) electronics, but average speakers, my friend told me, he was glad, when he left the house, he was so dissapointed from the presentation ( detail, but dull ) ....
An arm alone is not the secret ....

And , but that's only my opinion, I think, that most phono stages out there can't simply show the limit of a Graham Arm, of course you will hear differences, but then it depends mostly on the listener's own priorities.

Another info:
http://www.audioasylum.com/scripts/t.pl?f=vinyl&m=370936

IMHO, I think, when going in this direction, check the Kuzma AirLine.
It is MUCH improved compared to the designs years ago.
When the Turntable can hold that arm - and you can afford it - think about it.

WOW!Great discussion,Thomasheisig.You pretty much nailed it.However,CELLO,now that I've just been hit with 14 inches of snow here in the northeast,do you have any guest rooms?

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Hi Sirspeedy,
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Yes, I happen to have one extra room if you don't mind sharing with most of the Audiogoners from the North East. Good luck digging out.
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At some point in the near future, I will have the benefit of hearing the Graham 2.2, Schroder Reference, and a new Triplanar all on my system with the same cartridge at the same time. I have a two armed table and will have 2 of the same cartridge so that comparison process will be greatly simplified.
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I will let you know my reactions to all 3.
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At this point, I don't have the benefit of Thomas Heisig's experience. I do think I remember that Thomas' Schroder experience was not with the Reference but another model. Perhaps Thomas can let us know which Schroder model he listened to and was it on the same system at the same time as he heard the Graham and some model of the Schroder.
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Rgds,
Larry
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Cello.PLEASE, do follow up on that comparison!