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What's wrong with classical music on vinyl?

As I go through my collection of classical music on vinyl, and get new ones from record stores and eBay, I notice that I am not impressed with the sound quality. Most of my pop music albums sound fine. The classical (even sealed), on the other hand, sounds full of static, noise, and pops that completely drown out the music. The rubber surrounds on my woofers ripple visibly, and the more intense passages become distorted (particulary the brass instruments). (And yes, I've tried it with minimal volume, to test the feedback theory, and with the same results.) I've tried extensive record cleaning with some of the most recommended products. On the other hand, my non-classical music sounds fine. Madonna, Yes, and Simon and Garfunkel play fine. So do Crosby Stills + Nash, REM, and Nickelback.

The only thing I can think of is that the classical music tends to be recorded at a much lower volume, thereby causing a low signal to noise ratio, whereas the pop music is inherently recorded at a higher volume, and this helps to drown out the noise.

I'm beginning to think that I should stick to CD's or brand-new 200g LP's for classical music from here on.

Any comments/suggestions?
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albertporter
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Eldarftford,
I freely admit to now owning a playback system like Albert's, but if that were a prerequsite to have any opinion 99.9 percent of audiophiles, and all of the general public would be silenced.

There seems to be plenty of support for analog from Audiogoner's who have spent considerably less money than I did. Many of them agree that LP provides superior musical reproduction.

As for opinion, there is a need for truth as well.

Audiogon is a high end audio site and reference to "the ultimate" is a perfect position to take, even if only as a base line of what may be achieved. If you cannot or will not make the financial commitment, fine. Just don't say your way is the only way because you choose to make compromises.

And don't give me the "it's the music" story. If that were all that was important a Bose Wave Radio would suffice.
That's a ridiculous statement. No one at Audiogon works on getting their Bose Radio "right," unless that's your reference, then that would explain your aversion to analog.
gregm
3,405 posts
 
El -- re, cartridges:
Clearaudio Discovery & up, the VdHul Grasshoper & up, the bigger Grados, the upmarket Lyras, the bigger Ortofons, most (all?) of the Allaerts...

This is really not an exhaustive list, are you actually interested in this type of product? Cheers!
eldartford
4,262 posts
 
Gregm...The most likely result of my current reevaluation of vinyl is that I go back to a MC pickup. Benz was the one I heard, and liked. I used to have Ortofons and Signet, which I also liked (except when the stylus needed replacement). Is your list about good sounding cartridges, or about separation?
tlh28
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Hi,

A number of people who are more qualified than me have offered some excellent suggestions. Setup/compatability of the cartridge in particular. I too have experienced the noise problems you mention with classical music, even with my former excellent vinyl setup. Believe it or not, the biggest improvement I made in terms of noise reduction was getting a better phono preamp, in my case the phono stage of my VAC Avatar. It made a huge difference in reduction of noise compared w/ the phono stages of some mid-priced tube preamps I had before (CJ, Anthem, Counterpoint). Not that you have to go to tubes, but I suspect that a higher quality phono stage would make a significant improvement, assuming it is worth the $$ to you.

TLH
eldartford
4,262 posts
 
Gregm...A quick check of specs shows...

Ortofons run 25dB at 1 KHz and 15dB at 15KHz.
One model, Jubilee, is 27 and 20.

Clearaudio claims 30 dB for the Virtuoso MM and 35dB for the Sigma gold.

I believe that almost all cartridges are in this range, which I think is really no problem.

The Allaert MC1b claims 60 dB, and some other Allaert models claim 70dB. This is more than I thought to be possible. The spec comes with a warning that this performance depends on the arm. In other words, you might not actually achieve it.
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