Joseph Audio Speakers never show up used

I heard RM33 and I heard Pearl. These are two so different speakers.

RM33 are overvalued and shouldn't have the offered price of $7k. I didn't find anything successfull or even positive in these speakers except look and shiny Cardas binding posts listening them with Classe 350 monos and the rest of classe electronics including CD5 and preamp that i don't remember the model number. The only word that can describe this setup is HORRIBLE. Couldn't find an appropriate volume level and couldn't find even an appropriate music that "fits" this setup. It seemed to me that I listen to some very loud ancient gromophone that presses my ear-drums with some metalic and unrealistic gingling sounds... According to the specs they love some juice (relatively large side-firing woofer) but the more volume I was trying to bring the more unreal and fatiguing they sounded.

I can nothing say about previous models but I assume that the same reason that they're still standing in the dealer's stock and having a hard time to be sold.

Pearls were able to do much more than even expected for the price offered: dissapearance effect and 3D, bottomless bass, clarity and musicality. In fact this I believe the only successfull speaker that might gain the consumer with appropriate budget but again: there are still in the same class Wilson Watt Puppies 7 that cost much lower and can easily compete.

I would also like to hear what others will say about RM33 and different setups from what I've listened. Maybe I would blame blame blame Classe electronics and try to setup different audition with non-Classe setup...

Marakanetz, you are exactly right about Joseph RM33's. I hate to bash a product but the RM33 would only appeal to someone who has a lot of money and no ear for stereo stuff. But sees a high price so assumes it must be good.
Sorry, while the Pearl did sound excellent I was thinking, yea sounds about like $8,500 B&W Nautilus 802's. So Pearls are about $11,500 overpriced.

I think it has to do with love I have a pair of RM22si mark II's And I can't seem to ever want to replace them there great speakers and the more you play them the better they sound. and if you ever contact Joseph's he is a great person to deal with he answers all his call personaly. True there are not many dealers out there but it is worth finding one and getting a speaker demo.

Cdc, I heard each of Joseph's(RM33 or Pearl) only once and only with one setup. Maybe I should listen to Nautilus 802 with Manley electronics later somewhere since Manley electronics are always true for me. I realy don't know how to describe the way RM33 sound but it seemed that they sound like DJ horn-loaded JBL for $150 per pair(whata bargain instead of $7k!)

33i with Classe electronics? Hmmmm. I LOVE the Proac 3.8's but the one time I heard them driven by Classe electronics, they sounded awful. Very nasal. So, your comments on 33i are a good heads-up, that the 33i might not be at a level of sonic quality reflecting it's price and product positioning - but I think a listening with other electronics is called for.