if you are talking about the totem hawks, these were very nice. I listened to them for more than 20 mins during the he2003 show. I also liked the totem forest speakers that vince brought with him. these were some of the best sounding speakers (imo) at the show for anywhere less than $12,000. imo, you would have to jump up to the meadowlark's, the vandersteen 5a, or the joseph Pearls to get get a better speaker (at 6+ times the cost, and even then, it wasn't a night and day difference between them), just easier to fill a large room.