Does subwoofer + bookshelve=full range speaker?


I am sort of new to this hobby so this may seem like a dumb question.
I always wonder if add a good sub to a bookshelve speaker do you get a same performance as the large full range speaker.ie if you add a subwoofer( assuming a good one) to B&W 805 or Martin logan entry level model . do you get the same performace as N801 or prodigy or more because the subwoofer in many instance will go even deeper than the full range speaker?
if not why not?
a1126lin
I just took a look at your system and all I can say is WOW, nice setup! Are you asking this question because your 801s are too big for your tastes or room or just curious about an alternative configuration? Your question has been one of the ongoing debates in these forums. It's not a dumb question at all and should inspire some great responses.

There will be those like myself that use monitors with a sub because of the great soundstaging capability and ease of placement of small monitors combined with the versatility that a movable/adjustable sub bass system provides.

On the other hand there will be those that prefer floorstanders because of the potential difficulty of tuning a subwoofer to match monitors seemlessly or they may feel that full range speakers offer a more coherent sound.

I've never had floorstanders in my system so I can't offer any valuable insights into their setup. I enjoy small monitors because of their ease of placement and because I can own more than one pair for about the same price of a good floorstander.

So is a monitor/sub combo as a good as a floorstander? I think it depends on what you're comparing and how well each is setup.
It can almost do it, provided that you can cross your sub in as well as the designer of your speakers. With full cognizance of all the parameters involved. This is unlikely. But, is a possiblity. The other problem is, that subs, in fact, are directional, and the location out of the line-source will make a difference, and turn your system into an "array" instead of line-source. Typically, this affects imaging, in this case in the bass region. This is not to say that you couldn't get an acceptable result, and many people are happy with the results they get.
"if you add a subwoofer( assuming a good one) to B&W 805 or Martin logan entry level model . do you get the same performace as N801 or prodigy or more because the subwoofer in many instance will go even deeper than the full range speaker?"

NO

"if not why not?"

The 801 has a different xover (maybe even using better parts) and it uses a different midrange driver (the surroundless ones whereas the 805's have a surround made of rubber). The Prodigy should also do more in the top-end and midrange than the smaller logans. The same tweeter in two different systems can sound different too. Depeding on the sub you choose you may get more bass extension than the bigger model of the same manufacturer, but it turns into apples v. oranges at best. There's also the phase issues.
If your question supercedes B&W and ML, then I can tell you I am using Reference 3A MM de Capos with a SVSubwoofer- total retail $3200. I have owned Genesis Vs ($12K), Accoustat 2+2 and 3+3s, Chateau References (monitors) with dual Sunfire MK II subs ($6K+). The de Capos SV Sub combo is by far the best I have had. I will add a second sub for stereo. My room is 19X 31X 14.

If you are interested in trying this combo, my de Capos are for sale (see ad/auction). I am a dealer and getting their new "i" version.
While the above points about sub integration are valid, they fail to mention one of the biggest advantages of the sub/sat approach: the ability to site the sub to optimally deal with standing wave problems, and to site the sats to image optimally. No full-range speaker can do this as well unless you happen to be incredibly lucky. I would add that the only subs I would consider are the RELs, which are designed to cross over extremely low and come in under the natural rolloff of the sats. I am not a dealer or otherwise affiliated with REL, but in my experience all other subs have problems integrating seamlessly with the sats, probably mostly because they cross over much higher and/or put the sat signal through a crossover. Until REL came along, I would have said that sub/sat systems were hopelessly flawed, but not anymore. Lastly, try to find a reasonably sized full-range speaker with flat extension to 10Hz. On balance, I would say that properly done, a sub/sat system will significantly outperform a full-range system of equal cost.